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Old 12-15-12, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by spock View Post
Care to elaborate on that statement? Actually, people use film now more than, let's say 3 years ago. Just about 3 months ago, this flickr group had about 75.3k members... Ever since its conception, digital has failed to look like film in spite of numerous attempts. It maybe be good anough, but not as beautiful and effortless as of yet, besides the convenience factor of course..
You're wasting your breath. 90% of photos today are never made into prints, and that's where you see the superiority of film over digital. I like prints, that's why I like film and barring some breakthrough in sensor technology film will always be better when processed and printed the old fashioned way. See this is what film is like..


Notice the random distribution, different sizes, and shapes. This is what makes film so special.


And this is what a bayer sensor is like.

A perfect grid pattern.

Now if we were made of legos, the bayer sensor would be just as good as film, but were not. We have all kinds of random angles and such. The problem in comparing the two comes when people scan film thus robbing it of it's great advantage. This is why I still have a darkroom. This is why so many digital prints look so for the lack of the better word artificial.
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I have a Nikon D40 from 2007 and have no plans to upgrade it for.some time. my Canon Ixus 100 small poont and shoot broke so I replaced it with an olympus epm1 mirrorless camera. the IQ is very good, but its pretty darn slow at focusing and even slower in low light. In daylight its not a bad sub for d40 and its a great size.

Until low light performance improves significantly, my D40 will remain in use. there are so many times when my buddies are attempting to take a photo with their point and shoot; ive already taken the photo with my slr and moved on.

I have no idea why a point and shoot is called that. It should be called a point and wait and hope and shoot. Theyre much better when the subjects dont move much.
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Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
My Elph 300HS, however, has plenty of lens, takes great HD video, and really great (maybe not pro, but really great) stills. And it fits in my pocket.
This is what I brought, can't beat it for ~$125.
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Old 12-15-12, 12:58 PM
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i almost went with elph 300 but im loyal to sony
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Old 12-15-12, 01:24 PM
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I mostly use my digital camera now, but sometimes I'll get bored with it. Then I'll take out one of my old film cameras and that sort of renews my interest in photography. I have no idea why, but it works for me.
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Old 12-15-12, 01:51 PM
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Most of my alt process prints are digital capture, but that is an expense thing.
25 sheets of 8x10 film is $90.00. 25 sheets of A1 ink jet transparency film, that I use to make a negative from a digital file, is $20.00.
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Old 12-15-12, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AllenG View Post
Most of my alt process prints are digital capture, but that is an expense thing.
25 sheets of 8x10 film is $90.00. 25 sheets of A1 ink jet transparency film, that I use to make a negative from a digital file, is $20.00.
Which is why I (foolishly) sold my 8x10. Is there anything in photography as beautiful as a large format transparency?
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I don't really understand why it always seems to come down to digital or film. I've been playing around with photography for almost 30 years and over that time I have acquired a bunch of different cameras both film and digital. I have two manual focus 35mm SLR's, one auto focus 35mm SLR, One DSLR, a mega zoom bridge and two P+S digitals. 99+% of my shots are taken with Fuji bridge and my Canon P+S but, I still pull the 35mm slr's out occasionally (last week) and shoot a roll or two. I like both mediums for different reasons but, I can not see selling my film equipment for pennies on the dollar. As for the DSLR, it's my go to camera for my serious attempts at fine detail or lower light photography. One thing I really like is the option of having the film shots put on a CD so that I can play around with them in post production just like my digital shots. The new mirrorless Canon EOS-M may be my future camera since it may be able to handle my FD lenses from my film SLR's but, I will have to wait and see how it reviews.

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Old 12-15-12, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bikebuddha View Post
Which is why I (foolishly) sold my 8x10. Is there anything in photography as beautiful as a large format transparency?
I kick you for that.

Got a friend that is doing 8x10 wet plate. Astounding stuff.
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Originally Posted by Lamplight View Post
I mostly use my digital camera now, but sometimes I'll get bored with it. Then I'll take out one of my old film cameras and that sort of renews my interest in photography. I have no idea why, but it works for me.
I think it's the suspense and reward you get with film.

A digital camera can give immediate feedback but with film you have to wait to develop the negative and make a print for the payoff. With film there's more pain so the gain is that much sweeter.
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Old 12-15-12, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mustang1 View Post
Until low light performance improves significantly, my D40 will remain in use.
Nikon's current equivalent for the D40 have very much better low light performance than the D40 does, in case you really want to spend some money.

My first DSLR was a D70s, my second was my current D300 which had significantly better low light performance (and better speed) than the D70s.
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Old 12-16-12, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
I think it's the suspense and reward you get with film.

A digital camera can give immediate feedback but with film you have to wait to develop the negative and make a print for the payoff. With film there's more pain so the gain is that much sweeter.
I do tend to get more "keepers" when I shoot film. I'm not sure if I'm more careful with what I shoot, or if I subconsciously like more of the shots because I know each one cost money to create and there's a little more at stake, or if they actually are better. In one outing I may shoot 70 or 80 digital shots, and out of those I may be satisfied with 15-20. Yet when I shoot a roll of 36 film exposures I'll often be satisfied with just as many, sometimes more.
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Old 12-16-12, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bikebuddha View Post
Chris I'm going to borrow your excellent shot to make a point about the difference between film and digital.

Chris's photo above is excellent, the high speed shot it freezes the action right at as Cartier-Bresson would say, the decisive moment.

Now compare it to a photo of Mark Wright. Made on film.


The first thing I notice of course it that it's far noiser than Chris's pic. If I had to guess I would say it was an ISO 800 film or a 400 film pushed one stop. There's also less apparent detail. However, I believe the overall effect of the film picture is superior.

"Overall effect of film picture is superior"?

Good grief.

Chris's digital shot is superior in every way. All the film shot has is contrast and that can be controlled digitally if you want. I've studied photography full time at an Institute of Technology and we covered everything you wanted to know and much more about film response curves and the like. I was a member of an Amateur Photographic Society and I've seen the absolute best that 35mm film has to offer projected on a screen.

The Holly Grail of film was to reproduce accurately what the eye could see. Digital does this FAR better than film. Any other aspect of film's response can be mimicked in photoshop.

Early digital took a little while to catch up with 35mm transparency but it's passed it now and kept on going. If your being a technical purist then there is no room for sentimentality.

Anyway. You cant make any such comparisons here. EVERYTHING is a manipulated digital image in this realm.

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Old 12-16-12, 08:42 AM
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Once a slide/trans or print is scanned all bets are off. You are at the mercy of the hardware and the operator. I was a drum scanner operator for 10 years and don't miss it one bit.
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How many of you that use a film camera can shoot professional video with that same camera ?
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ha the good thing about film camera is ya can find a great 1 with lenese for like 50 bucks.if i recall i saw a k1000 for like 30 bucks a few months back
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Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
ha the good thing about film camera is ya can find a great 1 with lenese for like 50 bucks.if i recall i saw a k1000 for like 30 bucks a few months back
I remember a few years ago my camera shop at a few used F4's for sale. I think they were going for $350 but the shop removed them to make space for digitals.
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Originally Posted by Angio Graham View Post
I remember a few years ago my camera shop at a few used F4's for sale. I think they were going for $350 but the shop removed them to make space for digitals.
ya its crazy the deals u can get..im still waitinf for a adapter to make film cams digital.
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Old 12-16-12, 01:37 PM
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WTF, just saw this on a photography site, expired film. Looks great you hipster doufuss.




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Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
"Overall effect of film picture is superior"?

Good grief.

Chris's digital shot is superior in every way. All the film shot has is contrast and that can be controlled digitally if you want. I've studied photography full time at an Institute of Technology and we covered everything you wanted to know and much more about film response curves and the like. I was a member of an Amateur Photographic Society and I've seen the absolute best that 35mm film has to offer projected on a screen.

The Holly Grail of film was to reproduce accurately what the eye could see. Digital does this FAR better than film. Any other aspect of film's response can be mimicked in photoshop.

Early digital took a little while to catch up with 35mm transparency but it's passed it now and kept on going. If your being a technical purist then there is no room for sentimentality.

Anyway. You cant make any such comparisons here. EVERYTHING is a manipulated digital image in this realm.

/RANT.

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Sorry Anthony I have to disagree. Take another look at Chris's photo. Notice the hyper-hard edge between the player and the background? It simply doesn't look real because that's not how your eye perceives foreground objects against a background. Film produces a more organic look that digital even with photoshop doesn't reproduce well.
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Once a slide/trans or print is scanned all bets are off. You are at the mercy of the hardware and the operator. I was a drum scanner operator for 10 years and don't miss it one bit.
Which I why I specifically stated that films advantages for the most part disappear when scanned. But if like me you've still got an enlarger there's a clear difference.
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How many of you that use a film camera can shoot professional video with that same camera ?
Mine can't but neither can my car fly. Different tools for different things. I still have digital cameras but I prefer the look of film.
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WTF, just saw this on a photography site, expired film. Looks great you hipster doufuss.




I kinda like it. It's artistic and stuff.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voigtländer_Brillant
Buddha, find a metal body Brilliant. One in prime shape is around a bill or so.
It uses 120 film, is more quiet than a Leica, and is as simple as a camera gets. It is a psudo tlr, the view finder is a fixed lens. It is focused with a zone system. There is a chart on the back giving the depth of focus at each aperture setting.
They make wonderful negatives. My favorite street camera. And dead silent. Sounds like a fly back stopwatch resetting when you hit the shutter.
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I kinda like it. It's artistic and stuff.
you would, I bet you have an Instagram account
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