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Old 02-19-05, 10:42 AM
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I live in NYC and I gotta agree, what the hell were they thinking?
This ain't art, this is something I can dream up while I'm taking a dump (which I'm sure he did).
There's a reason why so many people here don't know wtf these gates are supposed to stand for.
Hell, I just took a dump and I thought it'll be a cool idea to do the same thing to subway stations so they'll be more "visible". Or how about those "livestrong" bands I see everyone wearing, why don't we make large versions and put em on lamp posts all around the city and call that art. Or how about I make a religious painting out of dung? oh wait, someone already did that and tried to call it art...
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Old 02-19-05, 10:51 PM
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Ah Grasshopper, you see their legacy WILL live on in the overpriced 'Limited Edition' prints that are being made of their steaming piles of fecal material. Which surely, as did Picasso fecal matter, will experience further price bloat once the have departed for their heavenly domain.


EDIT: Don't be dissin Andy now... he was a great comedian!
I doubt that I will see gates, live too far away, but I have seen other Christo works (Running Fence 1973). That kind of made me a believer in what his work is intended to do. Running fence was experienced first (maybe best) by being there. The more you went back the more you enjoyed it, early morning light on that thing was breathtaking for about 20 minutes each day, afternoon shadows in different spots along the fence were intriguing and sunset with a bottle or two of Napa Valley wine was amazing. Point is that the thousands of people who were lucky enough to be there each took away their own impression.
Secondly, everone I saw there, including yours truly, took photographs, painted, or sketches documenting their own vision of what they were experiencing. If anyone has profited from selling these works, so be it, I hope the buyers enjoyed the experience from someone else's minds eye. I'm sure a lot of it has graced many a dumpster over the years.
Because of the three days that I was there sleeping in a ratty van (no insult intended Stacey) , I will always be interested in C's work, some of which I didn't like, but I'll always look at in a special way. Experiential art get kinda personal, eh?
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Old 02-20-05, 06:11 PM
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I went there twice yesterday, and I liked it both in sunlight and in the gray.
Wish they were keeping it up for just a little longer...
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Old 02-20-05, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by slvoid
Or how about I make a religious painting out of dung? oh wait, someone already did that and tried to call it art...
Are you aware that the piece you are speaking of was made while in country that thinks that elephant dung is sacred? That's why they made it out of dung. Not to be weird, but to honor their beliefs.

As for Christo, I'm not too hot on this piece. I've enjoyed some of their other work, running fence was nice and the giant umbrellas was kind of cool. They are not going to be appreciated more when they are gone like Van Gogh, do you know how they make the money to pay for these things? They sell the conceptual drawings for the project as well as drawings from past projects to make the majority of it. None of the money comes from the government funded art programs. So, if they can raise 20 million by selling conceptual drawings I'd say they are in the middle of "their time."

One last thing, those of you who don't like this piece are right. Those of you who do like this piece are right. It's a personal aesthetic, no one can tell you.
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Old 02-20-05, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Crack'n'fail
Are you aware that the piece you are speaking of was made while in country that thinks that elephant dung is sacred? That's why they made it out of dung. Not to be weird, but to honor their beliefs.
Yes, but it's now in a land where elephant dung is NOT scared.
If I made a painting of a hindu god with beef and then shipped it over to india, guess what, people are gonna have the same reaction we had with the elephant dung here.
You're right, art is relative, but sometimes I can't help but feel a lot of artists have to resort to "awe and shock" to get themselves out there.
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Old 02-20-05, 07:30 PM
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Personally, not impressed. I also don't understand who pays $20 million for conceptual drawings. Nor do I get why it's only up for 16 days if it's really so great and he wants as many people as possible to experience it before it's all recycled. And of course, as an engineer I am mystified as to why it takes a pair of 800 pound steel bases to support the poles of each gate, carrying 2-3 yards of light fabric. The umbrella thing was a little intriquing, but this not at all.

I think a much more interesting piece of art is Richard Box's Field. It's a bunch of fluorescent lights arranged underneath transmission power lines. The fields around the lines cause them to glow faintly at night.
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Old 02-20-05, 07:36 PM
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Can we all at least agree that "dogs playing poker" is great art?
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Can we all at least agree that "dogs playing poker" is great art?
Yes, however, the artist really didn't have to have them smoking, and cigars at that!!! Otherwise, bravo.
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Old 02-20-05, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by slvoid
You're right, art is relative, but sometimes I can't help but feel a lot of artists have to resort to "awe and shock" to get themselves out there.
absolutely. of course they are competing with videos, bilboards, video games etc. in an attempt to grab the attention of the ADD (Attention Defecit Disorder) Generation. It can be frustrating, I'm an art teacher and sometimes my students try that stuff. It's hard to explain that they need to have a good concept and not just the shock and awe when they can point to succesfull artists who don't really do that.
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Old 02-20-05, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by iamlucky13
I think a much more interesting piece of art is Richard Box's Field. It's a bunch of fluorescent lights arranged underneath transmission power lines. The fields around the lines cause them to glow faintly at night.
If you like that one, check this out:

http://www.lightningfield.org/
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Old 02-20-05, 10:48 PM
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As an engineer, I think the solar tower would make for a great piece of art.



I think this one's about 800ft high. The real one would be about 1km high and the base is 7km wide. It's basically a large greenhouse and chimney. Air gets heated and rises up the stack, powering a series of turbines. The scale model generates 60kw. The big one's supposed to generate 200mw.
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Old 02-21-05, 12:23 AM
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Art is largely subjective, which is why I specified that while I don't like Christo's stuff, it is a matter of opinion. I, personally, tend to judge art based on the skill it takes to make it. I suppose something that takes months of painstaking labor and something thrown together in a half hour are both technically "art". I wouldn't put them in the same class by a longshot, though. I definitely respect Christo's engineering and planning skills, so my definition of art is definitely in his favor! I consider graffiti and rap music art, which a lot of people look upon with disdain, and I think pro-wrestlers are no less "artists" than ballerinas! Art is largely a "class" issue, as well as a matter of taste. If NYC hates something, but a latino neighborhood loves it, is it art?
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Old 02-21-05, 03:53 AM
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I agreed with you right up until you called pro-wrestlers artists.

My university requires me to take a class in fine arts. I definitely feel there's better uses of my time (which is why I put off a 200 level class until my last semester), but I do get a few good things out of it. I just flipped open my notebook and picked a few lines out that seemed significant. Coincidentally, I also flipped open my textbook really briefly and saw a picture of Christo's umbrellas.

"Everything created is art. We simply decide if it's good or bad." I don't remember the source.

My professor defined three elements common to art: creativity, attempts to evoke emotion, and expression of the artist. He also made a distinction between folk art and fine art. Folk art grew out of practical need and includes, but is not limited to, crafts (basketweaving, pottery, etc) and architecture. Fine art is created for aesthetic purposes. Painting, photography, sculpture, music, threatre, cinema, and dance all fall under the fine arts.

As long as I'm getting so philosophical about this, I might as well point out that nearly everything around us has some artistic thought put into it. The computer I'm typing on is black because that got popular right before I bought it. My bike has flashy decals that suggest (to me) speed. The carpet has some sort of pattern of perpendicular lines in it. The building I'm in has colonial accents. Heck, even the key to my car has an unnecessary plastic grip which I'm sure is intended to make it look more comfortable than bare metal.
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Originally Posted by iamlucky13

"Everything created is art. We simply decide if it's good or bad." I don't remember the source.

As long as I'm getting so philosophical about this, I might as well point out that nearly everything around us has some artistic thought put into it. The computer I'm typing on is black because that got popular right before I bought it. My bike has flashy decals that suggest (to me) speed. The carpet has some sort of pattern of perpendicular lines in it. The building I'm in has colonial accents. Heck, even the key to my car has an unnecessary plastic grip which I'm sure is intended to make it look more comfortable than bare metal.
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