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Old 01-13-14, 05:21 AM
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Homework with nephew

Over the weekend I was helping my nephew with a history essay and we tried google to find some ideas...turns out there are many sites like this onefor example where you can get someone else to write your essay for you. I don't recall anything like that when I was at school, but then again, we didn't even own a PC. Interested to hear you opinions on this ...
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young people no longer read. why should they write?
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Originally Posted by ChloeP View Post
Over the weekend I was helping my nephew with a history essay and we tried google to find some ideas...turns out there are many sites like this onefor example where you can get someone else to write your essay for you. I don't recall anything like that when I was at school, but then again, we didn't even own a PC. Interested to hear you opinions on this ...
It seems like a short-term boost, but really in the long run its a dreadful drain. Students using those don't know the real cost they are paying, until they need to reproduce similar results in the real world.
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We didn't own a PC either. Then again, a PC wouldn't have helped because there wasn't any such thing as the internet, LOL.
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Old 01-13-14, 06:42 AM
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We didn't own a PC either. Then again, a PC wouldn't have helped because there wasn't any such thing as the internet, LOL.
Haha good point. I just don't understand how people used to live before the Internet existed, I mean, you can find almost anything on there now, any information can be at your fingertips in a matter of seconds...it just makes you wonder.
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Haha good point. I just don't understand how people used to live before the Internet existed, I mean, you can find almost anything on there now, any information can be at your fingertips in a matter of seconds...it just makes you wonder.
It's certainly convenient. I recall using books, magazines, libraries and phones before the Internet existed.
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Books? Libraries? What is this ancient magic?
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Books? Libraries? What is this ancient magic?
The library is where poor people go to access the internet.
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Old 01-13-14, 03:13 PM
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The library is where poor people go to access the internet.
Just kidding, my wife and kids go to the library weekly and they get read to all the time.
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Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
Just kidding, my wife and kids go to the library weekly and they get read to all the time.
I would use the library, but they don't really carry the fantasy genre there and that's what I like to read. I own a better/larger selection than the local library.
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I would use the library, but they don't really carry the fantasy genre there and that's what I like to read. I own a better/larger selection than the local library.
I would use the library, but I am at work all week and we have other things to do on the weekend. So my visits to the library have been limited to returning books on time on my way to work when the rest of the family can't make it. Which is before work when the library is closed.
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Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
I would use the library, but they don't really carry the fantasy genre there and that's what I like to read. I own a better/larger selection than the local library.
That's too bad. My local library has a wide selection of fantasy and graphic novels.
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That's too bad. My local library has a wide selection of fantasy and graphic novels.
It's just as well. Someone has to purchase the books so the authors can keep writing them!
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Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
The library is where poor people go to access the internet.
...and go number two, or escape the weather. It's like riding the bus without moving.
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Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
...and go number two, or escape the weather. It's like riding the bus without moving.

I have a cousin that moved out to LA and he was using the library wifi as his main source of internet accesss, but had to start using the McDonald's wifi because the library patrons were all nuts.
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Originally Posted by mrodgers View Post
We didn't own a PC either. Then again, a PC wouldn't have helped because there wasn't any such thing as the internet, LOL.
As one who owned a PC before the internet... there were word processing programs available (WordStar, for instance) that made writing a long paper far far cleaner, and easier than using the good old typewriter and "White-out."

Even doing research on a dial up library card catalog was more easily done than the older "look up, write it down on scrap paper" method.

Yes, while the internet is grand, computers did have a place even before the 'net.
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Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
Books? Libraries? What is this ancient magic?
Haha that was a loooong time ago, in the dark ages
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Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
The library is where poor people go to access the internet.
...or people whose Internet at home broke.
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Even in the 80s, when I was in school and there was no internet, you could always get someone to write a paper for you (HS/College) and there were services who stocked typical college topic papers. Interwebz makes it easier to find those services, but it also makes it a lot easier for Profs who care to search for stock papers and fail you if you turn one in. Good thing for those who cheat that most Profs won't ever check something like that. Unless two very, very similar papers come in from different students...
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Back when Mrs. A was a traveling nurse on contract in Hawaii, she was living in a so-so residential hotel way off to the north of Kaneohe. The Kaneohe library was the only Internet she had for four months.
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Originally Posted by ChloeP View Post
Over the weekend I was helping my nephew with a history essay and we tried google to find some ideas...turns out there are many sites like this onefor example where you can get someone else to write your essay for you. I don't recall anything like that when I was at school, but then again, we didn't even own a PC. Interested to hear you opinions on this ...
This is a known problem, even in college. There are also services that will take your online tests for you: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...please/264036/

I remember reading an article from one of the PhDs who wrote the essays... he earned ~$100k/yr but was very fast (e.g. 200+ page dissertation in a week).
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At first I thought this thread was titled "Homebrew With Nephew".
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The library is where poor people go to access the internet.
Or those who have a Mac Book Air and no wireless but need to download software off the web.
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Haha that was a loooong time ago, in the dark ages
When teachers could easily spot plagiarism and paraphrasing from the only encyclopedias the library had. Not that I got caught ..
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As someone who teaches in an undergraduate and a graduate program, I can almost always tell when some bit of written work is not in the person’s own voice. When this happen, it’s simply a matter of using Google to search using a segment of the work I suspect is not the student’s. Most times the student is just not taking the time to use proper references. However, we have had students that have submitted the papers of previous students. This is blatant cheating. And, I think there have always been some students that cheat. For my part, I try to instill in students that they have two basic choices. One, they can take the class and get a grade. Two, they can take the class and try to learn something. I’m happy to say the majority of student pick the second option.
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