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Old 09-09-14, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JBHoren View Post
Yes, absolutely. It's their business, and no one else's. What happened to privacy and boundaries?
You have to be kidding! And, beating your child is not anyone's business but your family? Privacy and boundaries end when you assault someone. Society has an interest in criminal behavior.
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Old 09-09-14, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by clemsongirl View Post
.....there have been so many stupid comments made on F&F's that I don’t see why people would expect something else.
Even retired.... I don't have time for much TV. You should get a hobby or activity of some kind.
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Old 09-09-14, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JBHoren View Post
Yes, absolutely. It's their business, and no one else's. What happened to privacy and boundaries?
I'm sure that's how some Muslims justify "honor killings" too. Wow!
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Old 09-10-14, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Kactus View Post
Are you saying that because Rice and his wife have 'made up' the incident should be dropped?
It appears that the couple have reconciled their differences, but it seems the social media still wants it's pound of flesh.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ray-ri...BUMUQABAhXNyoA

"No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options (sic) from the public has caused my family," she wrote in an Instagram post about the incident. "To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret everyday is a horrible thing."
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Old 09-10-14, 07:42 AM
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Old 09-10-14, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
It appears that the couple have reconciled their differences, but it seems the social media still wants it's pound of flesh.
Many abused women 'reconcile' with their abusers afterwards... many right up to the day they are beaten to death. You don't 'reconcile' getting the **** beat out of you!

You may want to read up a little on battered person syndrome: Battered person syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Football is a violent sport. Teaching the players how to be violent is a basic part of our education system.
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Old 09-10-14, 12:49 PM
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Football is a violent sport. Teaching the players how to be violent is a basic part of our education system.
Teaching them how not to be violent when off the field, however, seems to be missing from the educational system.
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Old 09-10-14, 01:07 PM
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Old 09-10-14, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DBA View Post
Just how could they be unaware of the severity of this? The original video (as has been reported) still showed rice dragging her limp body out of the elevator. It was pretty freaking clear he had beat the hell out of her.
That is what makes it clear that this is NOT about what he did, it is not about justice, it is about the NFL lacking balls and sucking up to whatever direction the winds of public opinion blow.

The video is about as tame as I can imagine for the final result. We all KNEW she was knocked out. But when I think of 'beat the hell out of her' I think of multiple punches and likely some delivered after she is helpless if not unconscious.

The NFL was far to light at first and now is too harsh. Not just harsh but uncaring. He should have a road back. Perhaps a very hard road, but a road. And a road that helps deal with the underlying problem, a road that makes it as sure as possible that this or something like it will never happen again with him.
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Old 09-10-14, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
The video is about as tame as I can imagine for the final result.
+1. All of these people & organizations who are changing their minds *after* seeing the video are upholding a huge double standard.

Here's a good commentary in the Baltimore Sun about how this is all about $$$ and not about role models or protecting women.
...the league scrambled to write new rules about beating women. Let's have penalties somewhere between smoking marijuana and vehicular homicide, somebody must have suggested. But not as serious as shooting yourself in the butt with your own *** in a nightclub.

Then you have double standards like this one:
The short article shows Robert Kraft (NE Pats owner who says he will never hire Ray Rice) happily posing for photo ops with another wife beater.
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Old 09-10-14, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
That is what makes it clear that this is NOT about what he did, it is not about justice, it is about the NFL lacking balls and sucking up to whatever direction the winds of public opinion blow.

The video is about as tame as I can imagine for the final result. We all KNEW she was knocked out. But when I think of 'beat the hell out of her' I think of multiple punches and likely some delivered after she is helpless if not unconscious.

The NFL was far to light at first and now is too harsh. Not just harsh but uncaring. He should have a road back. Perhaps a very hard road, but a road. And a road that helps deal with the underlying problem, a road that makes it as sure as possible that this or something like it will never happen again with him.
The league and the Ravens are trying to paint it as, "we had no idea it was this bad until we saw the video". They are trying to put up enough plausible deniability, because the truth is much uglier. Anyone who saw the original video of Ray Rice dragging her limp body out of the elevator could pretty much guess about what happened inside the elevator without needing the instant replay. Especially since the police report was pretty clear that he punched her unconscious. They are trying to distract everyone by acting like they would have banned him immediately had they just known. This is about protecting their revenue base. If they admitted the truth, which was they didn't give a damn because their billions in revenue is more important than whatever collateral damage their players cause, they would stand to lose a lot of their fan base, especially women.

The NFL is full of wife beaters, even some murderers. Drugs, weapons, and violence abound. Ray Rice is a sacrifice needed to make everyone think that the league is not aware of this.

I blame the fans. If people still want to continue to watch, support, and contribute to the NFL and its teams, then they are voting for business as usual. All pro sports are such a swamp of unethical, illegal, and exploitative behavior purely for the sake of money, fame, and power that it's incomprehensible to me why anyone would want anything to do with any of it.
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Old 09-10-14, 03:26 PM
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So Ray Rice slugged the mother of his child and knocked her out. Now he is out of the NFL which is good, not only for the NFL, but society in general. He got caught on video. How many other thousands of similar abusive behaviors have not been caught on video?

Okay, as far as Roger Goodell goes, he must go. There is no doubt in my mind that he knew about the knockout punch and tried to bury the evidence. Now he is busted. Along with all his other past discipline fiascos, he needs to leave. And he should take Danny Ferry with him.

Well, lookie here: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11...xecutive-april


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Old 09-10-14, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kactus View Post
Many abused women 'reconcile' with their abusers afterwards... many right up to the day they are beaten to death. You don't 'reconcile' getting the **** beat out of you!

You may want to read up a little on battered person syndrome: Battered person syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is where all cases must be looked at on an individual basis, if further evidence shows that this man is an habitual abuser and unwilling to change, then I can see the measures and the media frenzy being taken against him. Instead of focusing on the couple's means of addressing the incident after the fact, many peoples' reactions are as if the incident happened just a few days ago.
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Old 09-10-14, 10:42 PM
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...if further evidence shows that this man is an habitual abuser and unwilling to change, then I can see the measures and the media frenzy being taken against him.
So the first a$$ kicking is a freebie. Nice.
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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell could learn a lot from NBA Commissioner David Stern.
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So the first a$$ kicking is a freebie. Nice.
Hardly, the man was arrested and charged for his offense, has to go through a pretrial intervention program for first time offenders, and go through counseling with his wife for a year, not exactly a freebie.
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Hardly, the man was arrested and charged for his offense, has to go through a pretrial intervention program for first time offenders, and go through counseling with his wife for a year, not exactly a freebie.
Yeah... he'll be afraid to ever do that again!
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Originally Posted by Kactus View Post
Many abused women 'reconcile' with their abusers afterwards... many right up to the day they are beaten to death. You don't 'reconcile' getting the **** beat out of you!

You may want to read up a little on battered person syndrome: Battered person syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by Greg_R View Post
Here's a good commentary in the Baltimore Sun about how this is all about $$$ and not about role models or protecting women.[/I]
I agree that for the NFL this is about money. They didn't care about their players having TBI until it became a public issue. But, society does and IMO should care about domestic violence and other crimes like assault, ****,murder, etc. when their employees engage in them.
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I agree that for the NFL this is about money. They didn't care about their players having TBI until it became a public issue. But, society does and IMO should care about domestic violence and other crimes like assault, ****,murder, etc. when their employees engage in them.
WTF! The censor blips out the word r..a..p..e?
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The video is about as tame as I can imagine for the final result.
Being knocked out is not in any way "tame." Perhaps I'm not understanding your meaning?
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Being knocked out is not in any way "tame." Perhaps I'm not understanding your meaning?
Way to take things out as context. I said that they KNEW from the very beginning that she was out cold and what the new video showed was as tame as one could reasonably imagine.

I stand by that. What one would picture from the lobby video is considerably worse than a single punch.
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Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
Way to take things out as context. I said that they KNEW from the very beginning that she was out cold and what the new video showed was as tame as one could reasonably imagine.

I stand by that. What one would picture from the lobby video is considerably worse than a single punch.
Really? You're that reactive? I offered that I might not have understood your meaning and you attack me? Grow up.
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he need his ass beat. im very gratefull most the women in my family are big into martal arts
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