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Old 08-12-17, 10:29 PM   #1
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What happened to the thread I was on?

A couple days ago the thread, "Blinding other cyclist with Daytime Headlights" disappeared from the "Electronics, Lighting and Gadgets" sub forum. This was an extensive thread ( 71 posts ) started by someone named,"Modenaro". While there was some passionate discussion from both sides of the argument I really don't see why this thread would have been deleted. When a thread of this nature is posted it is inviting criticism because the whole premise is completely situational and based on one's opinion on what is good and what is not good. No cursing or unusually put-downs that I can recall occurred in this thread and I've seen some threads in the past where the peeps have really gone completely bonkers and none of those threads ever got deleted that I know of.

Anyway, been a while since I've read through your forum guidelines so I was surprised at how overly strict some of the guidelines seem to be. Just how much of what I read is actually enforced I have no idea but some of the guidelines seemed to almost border on what I would call "unneeded censorship". An example is , "What actually classifies as going off topic"? I've been accused of going off topic on occasion while just trying to make a point while doing a comparison. The way I figure it a decision on what is off topic can be somewhat subjective depending on the perspective of the person doing the judging. Just saying...

Whatever the case I've never seen a whole thread just disappear from the forum before. I think going forward if such a thing is going to be done the forum moderators ( the only ones who have the capability to delete an entire thread )
should do the following; Leave the title of the thread posted in the forum and then leave an announcement that the thread has been deleted ( and please state the reason why, thank you ) Very impolite to leave the people who posted in the thread hanging, wondering , "What happened to the *such and such* thread"?
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Usually, when there's a problem the mods only look back and delete those problem posts, putting the thread back together around them.

However they do often move threads, and I suspect this might have been moved to the A&S sub-forum because that seemed like a better fit.

I looked, there, but didn't see it, but maybe didn't look hard enough.

Anyway, if you don't get an answer here, find one of the mods, and send them a PM asking, an maybe you'll get an official explanation.
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Usually, when there's a problem the mods only look back and delete those problem posts, putting the thread back together around them.

However they do often move threads, and I suspect this might have been moved to the A&S sub-forum because that seemed like a better fit.

I looked, there, but didn't see it, but maybe didn't look hard enough.

Anyway, if you don't get an answer here, find one of the mods, and send them a PM asking, an maybe you'll get an official explanation.
Exactly!..or the mods give some kind of warning but whatever I would have expected some kind of announcement. I did do a forum search and nothing came up, very odd. I still have the last couple posts in one of my windows. When I try to quote or post I get a vBulletin message that states,"Invalid thread specified". There is then a link to an administrator in which if you follow the link you can leave a message. I have yet to receive a reply but that might be because it's the weekend and I'm sure a lot of people leave messages.

I posted here because I saw one of the moderators replying to other threads. I thought perhaps this was the place to get an answer. Hopefully I'll hear something in the next couple days.
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If you are in doubt, you can always PM an admin. Siu Blue Wind is our leader.


But please note that there is no such thing as censorship on the internet. 'Free speech' does not extend to anything you don't own.


If you cannot find something, it may just be somewhere else...it doesn't hurt to ask.
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I find it very odd that no forum administrator has responded to this thread. Looking at the other threads in this sub forum I see administrator responses on almost every one. Is it possible that they don't want to answer my questions publicly?? Has anyone else ever seen a whole thread disappear ? ( insert X-files music here ) I just find the whole thing very odd.
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Whomever started the thread may also choose to delete it, this will cause the thread to vanish with no explanation.
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I find it very odd that no forum administrator has responded to this thread. Looking at the other threads in this sub forum I see administrator responses on almost every one. Is it possible that they don't want to answer my questions publicly?? Has anyone else ever seen a whole thread disappear ? ( insert X-files music here ) I just find the whole thing very odd.
I apologize for not responding as soon as you posted this, as someone had said prior, you can always contact me personally. I do have a paid job where I work 40 hours per week, then when I get home I come on here, usually from 430pm until 1130pm. This weekend, I volunteered for 12 hours per day at our church fundraiser. I wish I could have gotten to you sooner on this, sorry you had to wait for an answer to this so very important dire question.

Perhaps you have not seen a moved thread before (we hardly move them) but if we do, there is a redirect in it. So even if you click on the thread and it's moved, it will take you to where it currently exists. When we move a thread, we will post in it that it had been moved and it will usually read: "Moved from (previous forum) to (current forum) with a reason as to why it was moved.

So I feel it is unfair of you to state that we have censored posting.

The only things we have censored are words that have proven to be offensive to others regarding gender, race, cuss words or other words that would not be kosher for a family oriented site. We also will remove posts that are threatening, degrading, bullying, spam, porn or generally those that go against the guidelines that people agreed to when they signed up here. And trust me, those types of posts, the person IS notified that it was removed and why.

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Whomever started the thread may also choose to delete it, this will cause the thread to vanish with no explanation.
I did go and look at that subforum and it was indeed deleted by the originator of the thread. That was his choice to do so and he exercised that right. It was not anyone on the moderation team. Assuming it was the moderation team that deleted was also unfair.

We really aren't that bad here.
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Please dont outsmart the censor. That is a very expensive censor and every time one of you guys outsmart it it makes someone at the home office feel bad. We dont wanna do that. So dont cleverly disguise bad words.

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I know there is a thing about asking users to manage their threads in the sales forums.

However, I've been on other forums that don't give the OP the rights to delete threads after they've been replied to.

In a sense, it is rude to those who have spent the time to give thoughtful responses to just delete them. Sometimes the responses are designed as much for posterity as for the OP. Yes, threads get derailed, or the OP's ideas won't work as easily as they had anticipated. But, the thought process is still useful.

One of the things that encourages people to participate in the forums is to see a variety of solutions to common issues.
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I know there is a thing about asking users to manage their threads in the sales forums.

However, I've been on other forums that don't give the OP the rights to delete threads after they've been replied to.


And this is one thing that makes us different.


In a sense, it is rude to those who have spent the time to give thoughtful responses to just delete them. Sometimes the responses are designed as much for posterity as for the OP. Yes, threads get derailed, or the OP's ideas won't work as easily as they had anticipated. But, the thought process is still useful.

Yes, it can be considered rude. But you dont' know what transpired between the time that you've seen it last, to the time it was deleted. We've seen thread turn ugly in a matter of seconds. And you, being a moderator here, know how fast that can happen. The OP has their reasons and it's not up to the moderation team to question it. But if it's that important, feel free to question the OP them self.

One of the things that encourages people to participate in the forums is to see a variety of solutions to common issues.

I agree. It gives many options to work with!
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I find it very odd that no forum administrator has responded to this thread. Looking at the other threads in this sub forum I see administrator responses on almost every one. Is it possible that they don't want to answer my questions publicly?? Has anyone else ever seen a whole thread disappear ? ( insert X-files music here ) I just find the whole thing very odd.

I wish I hadn't...oh well.
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But please note that there is no such thing as censorship on the internet. 'Free speech' does not extend to anything you don't own.




Freedom of speech | Define Freedom of speech at Dictionary.com
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noun 1. the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc.








Also called free speech.
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.... I could have gotten to you sooner on this, sorry you had to wait for an answer to this so very important dire question. .
"Dire question" (?) Just because I'm asking some questions I don't think I indicated any particular urgency. I was just trying to find out what goes on with the forum moderation and was wondering why I wasn't getting as fast a response as others...I wasn't holding a stop watch waiting for an answer, I have a day job too. Whatever the case if that was your take on it then hopefully I have supplied some clarification as to my intent.

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...Perhaps you have not seen a moved thread before (we hardly move them) but if we do, there is a redirect in it. So even if you click on the thread and it's moved, it will take you to where it currently exists. When we move a thread, we will post in it that it had been moved and it will usually read: "Moved from (previous forum) to (current forum) with a reason as to why it was moved.

So I feel it is unfair of you to state that we have censored posting.
Thanks for the feedback. I have seen threads moved before but there is always a redirect and if you use the forum search it will usually come up. On the other hand I've never seen a thread disappear before so this is a first. What I said about censoring was only designed to sniff out what was going on. I did only say that some of the forum guidelines seem to "border on", "unneeded censorship". Not that any of that is actually taking place so apologies if I offended anyone. I was just making a generalized statement based on what I was reading in the forum guidelines. Like I indicated before, I have no idea though just how strictly the guidelines are enforced so I have to ask questions. I do understand though that the mods have a right to limit what is posted on the forum.

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..I did go and look at that subforum and it was indeed deleted by the originator of the thread. That was his choice to do so and he exercised that right. It was not anyone on the moderation team. Assuming it was the moderation team that deleted was also unfair. ...We really aren't that bad here.
Hey, that's all I wanted to know. I didn't assume anything. I only knew that the mods have the ability to delete or move a thread. I never expected a thread starter to request a deletion of an entire thread. That said I agree very much with what CliffordK said in his post ( see below )

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....*In a sense, it is rude to those who have spent the time to give thoughtful responses to just delete them. Sometimes the responses are designed as much for posterity as for the OP. Yes, threads get derailed, or the OP's ideas won't work as easily as they had anticipated. But, the thought process is still useful.

One of the things that encourages people to participate in the forums is to see a variety of solutions to common issues...
Like I said before, going forward it might be a good idea when a thread is deleted that there be some written indication on whatever subforum the thread was originally posted on that the, ( such and such thread ) was deleted ( or moved ) by "whoever". Having something disappear X-files fashion is just in extremely bad taste and I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who *thinks this.
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Like I said before, going forward it might be a good idea when a thread is deleted that there be some written indication on whatever subforum the thread was originally posted on that the, ( such and such thread ) was deleted ( or moved ) by "whoever". Having something disappear X-files fashion is just in extremely bad taste and I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who *thinks this.
I agree with you, for I had to look for the thread myself in order to answer your question. Perhaps the thread starter, who is the same person as the thread deleter, might have that answer for you as to why he didnt' start a new thread explaining why he deleted it.

Please keep in mind though, that sometimes the reasons are because people were mean to them, and to go on and explain "I deleted the thread titled ______________ because so and so was being rude" might bring on more drama.

Again, if you have any other issues, please feel free contact me via pm if you observe other threads are being answered and you feel that your request is being ignored.

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