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Old 03-15-19, 10:23 AM
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Had trouble viewing threads here lately, click on a thread and get a blank page. Never had that problem before.


Suspecting it was an ad-block problem I suspended it, and sure enough I was able to once again view threads. So as this is a site I visit (and enjoy very much) though fairly seldom, and as I'm a lurker more than a contributor, do I cave to the ads? Or do I stand my ground and just stop reading?


I do not want to deal with the invasion of ads in my web browsing. I feel that is MY choice to make. If this forum (amongst more and more other sites) thinks I need to endure their ads to continue enjoying reading here, then it's no longer enjoyable and I'll say goodbye. Not a huge loss to the forum by any means, but I will not endure being dictated to by google, which bombards ads I don't care to see while I'm browsing here.
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Old 03-15-19, 10:59 AM
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I don't mind supporting websites through allowing ads, but bike forums often bogs down to the point of being unusable if all ads, scripts, etc., are permitted to run unchecked.

When I used Chrome I had to enable ad and script blockers. But Chrome itself had become unusable, too sluggish for most sites I visited. This year I switched back to Firefox after not having used it for a few years. Firefox is now much quicker than Chrome, and the default privacy mode blocks the most intrusive ads and scripts. Most site features function normally but occasionally need to tweak some settings on some sites.
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I don't mind supporting websites through allowing ads, but bike forums often bogs down to the point of being unusable if all ads, scripts, etc., are permitted to run unchecked.

When I used Chrome I had to enable ad and script blockers. But Chrome itself had become unusable, too sluggish for most sites I visited. This year I switched back to Firefox after not having used it for a few years. Firefox is now much quicker than Chrome, and the default privacy mode blocks the most intrusive ads and scripts. Most site features function normally but occasionally need to tweak some settings on some sites.
Agreed, especially for the more demanding threads like the GIF. More and more sites I visit now require the deactivation of ad-blockers to use their site. Chrome usually crashes before completely loading the video and/or pic-heavy threads on my ipad. On the imac, no problems. On the android mobile, noticeably sluggish.
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Old 03-15-19, 11:34 AM
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If this forum (amongst more and more other sites) thinks I need to endure their ads to continue enjoying reading here, then it's no longer enjoyable and I'll say goodbye.
So if I'm understanding this post correctly, it's saying, "Make it easier for me to block the ads this message board uses to pay the bills, or I'll leave."

It's not hard to predict the results of that request.
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Old 03-15-19, 11:42 AM
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So if I'm understanding this post correctly, it's saying, "Make it easier for me to block the ads this message board uses to pay the bills, or I'll leave."

It's not hard to predict the results of that request.
It's not the ads. It's the implementation. Bike forums is by far the most sluggish of all the niche and hobbyist forums I visit that use the same or similar shake and bake templates. I've been a mod for a decade on another hobbyist forum site using a similar template and we have no problems with sluggishness running ad servers, mostly Amazon but also a few niche advertisers relevant to that forum's primary topic. I don't block ads on that site because the ads don't drag browsers down to a molasses crawl. It's a problem with how ads are served on bike forums.
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It's not the ads. It's the implementation. Bike forums is by far the most sluggish of all the niche and hobbyist forums I visit that use the same or similar shake and bake templates. I've been a mod for a decade on another hobbyist forum site using a similar template and we have no problems with sluggishness running ad servers, mostly Amazon but also a few niche advertisers relevant to that forum's primary topic. I don't block ads on that site because the ads don't drag browsers down to a molasses crawl. It's a problem with how ads are served on bike forums.
Why not make a tactful suggestion to BF to rectify that? Or have you already done so?
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Why not make a tactful suggestion to BF to rectify that? Or have you already done so?
Sites like this usually don't have much control over the ads, they're just renting out billboard space so to speak (of course they have direct control over the number of billboards). Site management can work to only allow less intrusive (bandwidth hog) ads, but this would require a reworking of the business model and it's not well understood territory.

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Why not make a tactful suggestion to BF to rectify that? Or have you already done so?
Have done before on previous threads when this issue came up. As @tyrion said, it's a complex issue and may be something only the site owner can fix, not the mods. Basically these vBulletin sites are regarded as ad servers first, hobbyist/niche interest communities only second. If the owners feel the ad revenue meets expectations there's little incentive to respond to a few complaints about site performance.
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I use Ad Block Plus and have no issues viewing pages here.
This is recent with me. I can load the forum, but when I click on a thread I'll get a blank white page. When I disable adblock on the site it works as normal, whether or not I'm logged in. Just happened to me now logging in to check this thread.
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It's not the ads. It's the implementation. Bike forums is by far the most sluggish of all the niche and hobbyist forums I visit that use the same or similar shake and bake templates. I've been a mod for a decade on another hobbyist forum site using a similar template and we have no problems with sluggishness running ad servers, mostly Amazon but also a few niche advertisers relevant to that forum's primary topic. I don't block ads on that site because the ads don't drag browsers down to a molasses crawl. It's a problem with how ads are served on bike forums.
The ads I get are all google generated, and not context related, i.e. not bike or equipment ads. They are location related, as I live in Thailand and all the ads are in Thai language and for Thai related goods/services.

And yes, it bogs the forum down something terrible, sometimes I'm unable to use it.
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Or... join. Then, no ads.
By join I assume you mean log in? I've obviously joined and/or logged in or I couldn't have posted this. Look it's just a forum I enjoy reading. I'm not a cyclist even, just enjoy the threads, info, photos, etc. I don't know how these forums generate income, and not averse to seeing a few ads. But as I said, they bog the forum down horribly, and the ads are not even cycle related. So I don't know how that does (or not) help the forum.
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By join I assume you mean log in? I've obviously joined and/or logged in or I couldn't have posted this. Look it's just a forum I enjoy reading. I'm not a cyclist even, just enjoy the threads, info, photos, etc. I don't know how these forums generate income, and not averse to seeing a few ads. But as I said, they bog the forum down horribly, and the ads are not even cycle related. So I don't know how that does (or not) help the forum.
No, I mean subscribe, pay money to join. You either support this site by accepting ads, or by subscription.

Otherwise, the ads you see are likely based on cookies in your browser. Delete your cookies, or use a different browser with no cookies.

Few sites on the internet are totally free... server time and net access has to be paid for somehow. Ads are the most common form.

Your choice. Subscribers do not see ads.

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Again, I don't object to targeted ads as an alternative to subscription fees. As long as the ads are relevant and don't bog things down. I'll even click through some ads. I snagged some great deals by clicking through from Facebook to Amazon via targeted ads: a pair of Continental SpeedRide tires for $20 for the pair; Przewalski 3D padded shorts for $5 (best pad of any cycling shorts or bibs I've tried, although not necessarily the best shorts overall); and some good deals from Nashbar, Jenson USA and others via Google ad servers. Nothing wrong with relevant ads that don't make a site unusable.

It can be done. I've been a mod on other sites built on the common PhpBB and Simple Machines templates and their ads didn't bog things down. They run targeted ads from small niche business and Amazon -- no problems.
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No, I mean subscribe, pay money to join. You either support this site by accepting ads, or by subscription.

Otherwise, the ads you see are likely based on cookies in your browser. Delete your cookies, or use a different browser with no cookies.

Few sites on the internet are totally free... server time and net access has to be paid for somehow. Ads are the most common form.

Your choice. Subscribers do not see ads.

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Thanks. I checked that site out. May just give it a try.
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No, I mean subscribe, pay money to join. You either support this site by accepting ads, or by subscription.

Otherwise, the ads you see are likely based on cookies in your browser. Delete your cookies, or use a different browser with no cookies.

Few sites on the internet are totally free... server time and net access has to be paid for somehow. Ads are the most common form.

Your choice. Subscribers do not see ads.

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Okay I understand, thanks for clarifying. But like I said I'm not even a cyclist. Stumbled on this site awhile back and have enjoyed reading here. Not really willing to put money into it. Most annoying part is how the ads bog the site down.
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Thanks. I checked that site out. May just give it a try.
It is minimalistic, solves all of the problems, and then you can hit a pause button and reload the page when you are done with it, so they can get their advertising revenue. Then put it back so the website functions.

What they have here is borderline malware/denial of service, and this way at least the site is usable.
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Please pardon me, I feel the necessity to make a personal comment. As an un-paid moderator I feel I have the right to express my personal viewpoint, so allow me to put down the blue stars for a moment and speak for BillyD. These comments do not necessarily reflect the viewpoints of the forum.

That said, it just seems inexplicable to me, BillyD, that so many users are determined to find a way to avoid spending a dollar per month (even less for a 2-year subscription) to participate in an activity they enjoy. How many other things of value in this world can you get for free? And believe me, the experience and knowledge available on this forum is priceless.

So to suffer through whatever hangup is making your ad blocker malfunction, and then to virtually blame the forum for your ad blocker’s troubles is totally absurd. You are downloading dubious software from dubious sources to avoid paying $1 a month and then blaming the forum as a source of your problems? This makes sense to some of you people?

I’m not here to argue with people, I just feel the need to point out the absurdity of the situation. I’ve been around here for 14 years and I’ve uncovered zero reason to suspect conspiracy from BF to force users to do anything they don’t want to do. It just makes no sense to go through so much trouble to find an adblocker in order to avoid paying $1 a month. It’s ridiculous, and that’s all I have to say about the matter. No need to hate BillyD, it’s just my personal opinion and it happens to differ from some of you in the community. And yes, before anyone asks, during the five years before I became a moderator I was a paid subscriber.

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