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Squeezebox 06-07-16 01:53 AM

alignment
 
So how do you keep a frame in alignment while building?

dsaul 06-07-16 04:07 AM

Normally a fixture is used to hold all the tubes in alignment, using the head tube, bottom bracket, top of seat tube and rear dropouts as reference points. At various points in the process, an alignment table is used to check and tweak the alignment. It is possible to use a flat surface and spacers as a reference to build a frame. My first frame was built with a straightedge, clamps and spacers. It rode fine for thousands of miles.

Scooper 06-07-16 04:45 AM

I only tack-braze the joins in the jig, then fully braze each join in turn in free space, checking the alignment on a flat table after each join. I try to use heat to keep joins in alignment so that minimum - if any - cold setting is necessary.

WheelNut2 06-07-16 10:05 AM

Scooper- Is there a particular part of the lug/joint you start with when you tack braze? Multi spots? A cross pattern, like when torquing something with 4 bolts? Thanks for any insight.

Also, Squeezebox check out PithyBikes channel on YouTube he has some nice easy to follow videos with excellent production about his process when frame building. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqQ...Cgviyj_E0VEy9Q

Scooper 06-07-16 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by WheelNut2 (Post 18826992)
Scooper- Is there a particular part of the lug/joint you start with when you tack braze? Multi spots? A cross pattern, like when torquing something with 4 bolts? Thanks for any insight.

Regarding the brazing sequence, I use the process recommended by Reynolds Technology in its 531 Technical Advice data sheet, starting with the bottom bracket shell and working clockwise:


Originally Posted by Reynolds Technology
When the tubes are fitted into the lugs, care should be taken that the assembly is not in a state of stress. Brazing should be carried out in the following clockwise sequence:

• bottom bracket

• down tube/head tube joint

• head tube/top tube joint

• top tube/seat tube joint

This sequence obviates the danger of a stress raiser being created at a major shock point.

When brazing frames made from Reynolds 531 Tubing, the joints should be pre-heated, and after brazing the cooling should be controlled and not forced. Brazing must be carried out in a shop free from draughts.

Great care must be taken not to overheat the material, or to heat too large an area of the tube. Overheating will lead to burning or to brass inclusion (where the molten brass or bronze enters the grain of the steel), either of which will make the tube brittle.
Setting, when necessary, should always be done cold.

I usually tack braze each lug to tube join in four spots 90° apart while the frame is in the jig, then remove the assembly from the jig and fully braze the down tube-to-BB shell and seat tube-to-BB shell. I "pull" the down tube and seat tube into alignment using heat from the torch and checking alignment on my alignment table. Then I fully braze each successive join as described in the Reynolds procedure, checking and adjusting alignment as each join is brazed.

This method works for me, and ensures there is no cumulative stress built into the frame as often occurs if all joins are fully brazed in the jig.

Squeezebox 06-08-16 07:28 AM

Thanks wheelnut looks like an interesting set of videos. More than enough to satisfy my curiosity.

MassiveD 06-22-16 11:39 AM

With TIG the jigs are often better, and the joints are often better. It's a different culture. With lugs, you can often get a dead nuts set up on a joint with a pass through of the tube. With TIG they are basically all butt joints, and ideally they would be perfect, which is easy to achieve with an industrial level set-up (or due care with a file). With TIG some welds will require a root pass, and a filler pass, others can just be tacked and welded. You have to be very tactical :) on how you tack the tubes to minimize distortion but build enough strength into the tack, but not make it unsightly when you weld through it on the run. I haven't done much welding recently, but I did a utility table where I had to weld some 1/4 wall tubing to a quarter inch plate, and I used a tiny stick unit, and made some small welds off 110 in the wall. I got a little overprottective and ended up bending the plate like a banana, I just never thought that would happen with the scale of the welder and the plates. The forces are considerable, even when they aren't matched to walls 1/10th the thickness. In fact bike fillets from TIG are way oversize, so the people that are good at this are running huge fillets on tiny thin walls, and turning out straight work.

Scooper's sequence still leaves a lot up to the skill of the operator. Guys that can do perfect lugs or brazing jobs, with minimal clean up and minimal distortion, that is lots of experience at play, and huge skill on display.


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