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Reeses 08-15-18 09:00 PM

Carbon Drop Out Touch Ups
 
Is it possible to add material to a carbon drop out?

unterhausen 08-15-18 09:04 PM

sure, it's all laminated with epoxy.

Reeses 08-15-18 09:46 PM

Is it easy to diy

Canaboo 08-16-18 06:26 AM

"Easy" is relative to your abilities or aptitude for doing work like that. What is the damage like?

unterhausen 08-16-18 08:17 AM

If it was my bike, and the repair wasn't structural, I might try it. And I'd no doubt spend 40 hours on the internet doing research.

Reeses 08-16-18 09:16 AM

I don’t have any experience in material patching.

Heres the full story:
there was a chip on the right drop out axle contact face. So I sanded the left one to match the depth of the chip so that the rim can sit centered. However that leaves dead space behind the axle on the left drop out which the wheel is free to slide back into and go off center again

the easy solution is to patch that dead space in the left drop out, the complete solution is to patch the chip on the right as well as restore the original material on the left

Andrew R Stewart 08-16-18 09:26 AM

So are you describing an actual problem, the wheel slips within the drop out when riding? Or are you trying to avoid a problem that isn't yet happening? A well secured wheel doesn't need the axle to contact a drop out slot's inner face to stay put. Witness the many millions of bikes with horizontal drop out slots and that their wheels only move about when the QR (axle nuts) are not properly tightened. Andy.

Reeses 08-16-18 09:31 AM

The problem is happening. When I’m on the bike and do a sprint, afterwards I’ll find that the wheel has slipped back into the space and is rubbing again.

Maybe my KCNC skewer is too flimsy


Andrew R Stewart 08-16-18 10:10 AM

I admit that I'm no fan of non metallic interfacing with bike components, carbon drop outs might not accept the level of QR tightening that a good enclosed in cap cam design can produce. The QR's that use a plastic cam bearing surface are well known for their lesser clamping forces. QR's with steel serrated end caps (and axles with same) can hold onto the drop out better then smooth faced or AL parts will.

But to answer the OP. Adding a "drop" of epoxy on the drop out slot's inner surface to nudge the axle just so isn't hard to do and is reversible if ever needed. Using a couple of pieces of masking tape on either drop out face will hold the curing epoxy in place, like two dams on either side of the slot. A med cut 3/8" round file does a quick job of the final shaping of the epoxy and the needed fit for the axle end. Andy

Reeses 08-16-18 02:02 PM

Let me know if I’m understanding this. So I can use masking tape and make like a U shape on the drop out. Then apply epoxy so that it covers the area I need new material, wait to dry. Then sand it down as needed, and it’ll hold the wheel without buckling?

Canaboo 08-16-18 02:10 PM

No. He means just make a wall of tape on either side to seal it and then pour a bit in to fill the deepest portion of the dropout.. Overfill a bit and then use a round file/rasp to finesse the shape.

Make sure you thoroughly degrease the area though.

Reeses 08-16-18 02:17 PM

What about this

https://www.amazon.com/272-Bondo-Gla.../dp/B000VKZ3JM

Canaboo 08-16-18 06:03 PM

No, use structural epoxy. You're gluing to an epoxy matrix, not polyester.

Something like 3M DP 420 would be ideal.

Reeses 08-16-18 10:00 PM

i took off my pastic kcnc skewer today and replaced with an alu one and the wheel holds much better.

now debating if it's worth the effort for the repair but if the wheel keeps slipping I will attempt it.

Another question is how good is the epoxy repair vs an actual carbon repair?

Canaboo 08-17-18 06:51 AM

A proper repair will have an edge in strength and durability but likely not to a measurable degree unless the strength of the dropout has already been compromised.


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