Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Framebuilders
Reload this Page >

Water bottle boss question

Notices
Framebuilders Thinking about a custom frame? Lugged vs Fillet Brazed. Different Frame materials? Newvex or Pacenti Lugs? why get a custom Road, Mountain, or Track Frame? Got a question about framebuilding? Lets discuss framebuilding at it's finest.

Water bottle boss question

Old 02-28-20, 07:22 AM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 2,550

Bikes: 1992 Serotta Colorado II,Co-Motion Speedster, Giant Escape Hybrid, 1977 Schwinn Super Le Tour

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 434 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 107 Times in 80 Posts
Water bottle boss question

As a newbie I am starting to practice with braze-ons on an old frame before going to my new one.
​​When using a reinforcement, I like the look!, do you apply the silver only at the point where the boss meets the reinforcement or is it necessary to apply at the edge of the reinforcement?
Thanks!
Tandem Tom is offline  
Old 02-28-20, 07:52 AM
  #2  
Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 74
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked 26 Times in 14 Posts
Apply it to where the boss meets the reinforcement, you can then pull the silver to the edges of the reinforcement plate. Be careful not to overflow this joint as those reinforcement plates are hard to clean up.
8aaron8 is offline  
Likes For 8aaron8:
Old 02-28-20, 09:32 AM
  #3  
framebuilder
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Niles, Michigan
Posts: 1,421
Mentioned: 49 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 588 Post(s)
Liked 1,795 Times in 614 Posts
Tom here are a couple of suggestions when you braze on wattle bottle bosses with reinforcements. It is easy to bump the reinforcement with your silver and knock it a bit crooked. It can help to figure out how to steady your silver holding hand so you can hit the bullseye and put it right by the water bottle boss like Aaron said. Not only does this help you place it exactly where you want but also having your hand steady makes it easier to place just the right amount so it doesn't overflow the reinforcement edges. The silver will automatically go from the center boss to the reinforcement edges. It can be very difficult to get just the right amount so the shorelines of the reinforcement are crisp but at the same time there is enough silver between the threaded boss and the reinforcement so there is a little radius there. The precision required is why beginners can have a challenging time with reinforcements.

I recommend you have a visible center scribe line when you start to braze. Not only does this help you place the reinforcements on center but if you have a shaky hand and bump it off center, you can use something like a screwdriver to push it back on center. Oh and make sure the curve of the reinforcement exactly matches the radius of the tube.
Doug Fattic is offline  
Old 02-28-20, 10:39 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 2,550

Bikes: 1992 Serotta Colorado II,Co-Motion Speedster, Giant Escape Hybrid, 1977 Schwinn Super Le Tour

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 434 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 107 Times in 80 Posts
Thanks Doug I had thought about the center line.
Shakey hands. Me!!! Oh yesllll
Tandem Tom is offline  
Old 02-29-20, 11:20 AM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
calstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: santa barbara CA
Posts: 1,115
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 96 Post(s)
Liked 29 Times in 20 Posts
Brian Chapman on instagram...and the camera is shooting from above the tube, just looks like its defying gravity.
Click on the "arrow" in the center to watch vid, then hit the arrow on the right to see the next segment, notice the very small amount of silver used. If you search around his instagram you'll find some very good closeups of brazing techniques on various frame parts.


Last edited by calstar; 02-29-20 at 11:35 AM.
calstar is offline  
Likes For calstar:
Old 02-29-20, 01:25 PM
  #6  
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,060
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 3,394 Times in 2,326 Posts
I think Brian Chapman posted that right after I had done some bosses. The mistake I always make is pushing the reinforcement when I move the filler into the joint. I need to get my cateracts worked on
unterhausen is offline  
Old 03-01-20, 01:19 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
calstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: santa barbara CA
Posts: 1,115
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 96 Post(s)
Liked 29 Times in 20 Posts
Originally Posted by unterhausen
....The mistake I always make is pushing the reinforcement when I move the filler into the joint...
He barely touches the boss with the silver, might no even touch it, just melts the silver so a fluid drop almost falls onto the boss. Also cool how he returns and uses the silver wire to clean up the reinforcement shoreline as well as around the boss. If you watch some of his other vids on fillets he uses the brass rod to drag/move the fluid brass around, both while tinning and fillet building, don't see/hear about that much from other sources.

Last edited by calstar; 03-01-20 at 01:24 PM.
calstar is offline  
Old 03-02-20, 06:58 AM
  #8  
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,060
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 3,394 Times in 2,326 Posts
I know, it's an aiming error on my part
unterhausen is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.