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Old 08-23-09, 07:01 PM
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Keep pouring the Alcohol

I have TIG and brake cleaner in the same shop, but I have only used the brake cleaner for the intended purpose, once.

http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
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Old 08-23-09, 07:37 PM
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That's frightening.
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Old 08-24-09, 08:09 AM
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I know, I just groaned when it turned out to be a combination of heat and argon that was required to set off the reaction. I use alcohol to clean metal of fingerprints etc... but I can see how in a more gearhead environment brake cleaner might come in handy.
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Old 08-24-09, 03:30 PM
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If you're welding inside you should have a fume hood/smokeater or proper respirator on. The saddest part is how easily preventable this was.... easy solution: don't become lax about safety procedures.
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Yes Virginia, that one is scary.
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"If you're welding inside you should have a fume hood/smokeater or proper respirator on".

I feel that way. I always intend to buy one of those 3M airmate deals. Most small custom shops seem pretty casual about that kind of thing.
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Old 08-26-09, 10:05 AM
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Whoa! All that just cause he used brake cleaner before TIGging? That IS scary.

Respirator? I`ve never seen anybody weld with one- have I been under a rock?
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Old 08-26-09, 08:14 PM
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Well maybe slightly. Reality is "nobody" uses them in a lot of the normal metal fab trades, though even there one has the various metal fumes, I molybdinum is one that is very dangerous (?), but the industry has lobbied hard to leave uncontrolled. There is the radioactive electrode thing with TIG. Most welding info will sagely say to always use a welding rated face mask. Of course there are near suicidal environments like welding berylium that really require considerable prottection. 3M makes excellent forced air hoods for welding.

http://www.gallawaysafety.com/3m-spe...ems-p-960.html

I don't recomend my approach, but I restrict most welding to fair weather when I can have the doors open, and I pace my breath.
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I've got a remote respirator, and I only use it for galvanized material (or if I'm just in a safe my lungs mood). That was a definite bad move on his part aswell... As if welding a fuel tank isn't scary enough.
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A lot of old ironworker welders I work with all have welder's lung and most of what we weld is just mild steel and the occasional galv, and a lot of the work it outside too. I'd hate to think what your lungs would look like welding all sorts of metal indoors without ventilation.
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I work full time in a welding shop and have used brake cleaner multiple times to clean off dirt/grease... i'm glad i read this. I'm still paying for a eye surgury, i cant imagine having to pay for another emergency room visit right now. not to mention how bad the long term effects are going to be.
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Originally Posted by dods1600 View Post
I've got a remote respirator, and I only use it for galvanized material (or if I'm just in a safe my lungs mood). That was a definite bad move on his part aswell... As if welding a fuel tank isn't scary enough.
Just to clarify a bit on this point: Prolonged exposure to Zinc(the material used to coat galvanized steel)is highly toxic. I once walked into the shop and saw my buddy welding some fence posts, the smoke was just rolling right up into his hood(and lungs). It was like watching someone shorten their life right before my eyes.
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Galvi is a definite no no, and I have the tragic evidence of an experienced guy who knew the dangers and thought he was safe. It is a balcksmithing thing, but might have been welding with say the hood trapping the gasses. Check this out:

http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/

Then look at the safety note III right near the top.
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I've had metal fume fever... It totally licks, it's kinda like having the flu.
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Originally Posted by Peterpan1 View Post
http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/
Then look at the safety note III right near the top.
Dang, you`re just plumb full of cheerfull news . Still, thanks for passing it on- it`s definitely better to know about the risks and to keep in mind the ones we tend to ignore. I forwarded the first one about argon/brake cleaner to the rest of the guys in the maint department. As far as I know, nobody here uses any kind of spray cleaners for weld prep, but you never know, and who would have thought the results could be so severe.

BTW, I like that blacksmithing site- lots of cool information on it

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