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Old 10-15-12, 02:21 PM
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I've heard of making bikes from plywood - but laminated cardboard? - Interesting

An inventor in Israel figured out how to do it apparently:

https://news.yahoo.com/cardboard-bicy...090732689.html

Apparently is dirt cheap with an estimated raw materials cost of only $9-USD and they are hoping to start making them to sell in very low income areas for $20-USD or equivalent. Very interesting to say the least. Appears to be a fixy with front hand brake at least that is what it looks to be. Wonder how much flex you can feel in the frame while riding.
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I'd find that price more believable if I didn't spot a pulley that costs $30
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I guess that is what comes from living in a country with little rain.
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I'm a little curious about long-term reliability too. My wife buys laminated cardboard objects occasionally, and they don't stand up to the rigors of our living room. It would really surprise me to see one of these bikes still going after 10 years, whereas a steel framed bike will probably last 40 years.
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I don't quite understand why the whole cheap and practically biodegradable thing is so big with bikes these days. If you place no value in them they will clog up landfills faster than they can break down.
A steel bike can practically last forever and at its most diminished value still be a better deal than a cardboard bike.
Think of the sheer volume of classic steel that must be out there, even if it's not on the road.
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there are a couple of local organizations that collect bikes and ship them overseas to be used by the poor. It's amazing how many bikes they collect. The main problem they have is paying for shipping. Making cardboard is a bit of a nasty process, if they don't last very long it isn't going to be "green" at all. I think the people that are fascinated by this are unaware of exactly how fast you can make a metal bike frame.
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Right, or as you say, collect them.

There is a certain kind of craft paper that is coated, and used in boat construction, and makes incredibly light parts, and is very durable. But it is directional, so would not be a good replacement for a tube.
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https://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10...nge-the-world/
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Like to know how that turns out. The idea that you can get a government grant (where does that money come from?) to make cheap bikes to sell somewhere other than the country of origin baffles me.
If they are so cheap that it doesn't matter if they don't last, why is giving a grant a wise choice?
I am fascinated by the number of businesses that seem to have some round about way of "saving the poor Africans".
'Not for profit' organizations seem to have a capacity to still suck up a lot of money, which has to come from somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Canaboo View Post
Like to know how that turns out. The idea that you can get a government grant (where does that money come from?) to make cheap bikes to sell somewhere other than the country of origin baffles me.
If they are so cheap that it doesn't matter if they don't last, why is giving a grant a wise choice?
I am fascinated by the number of businesses that seem to have some round about way of "saving the poor Africans".
'Not for profit' organizations seem to have a capacity to still suck up a lot of money, which has to come from somewhere.
I agree with your sentamints as far as government grants (sometimes called "public grants" to try to make it sound better). That money comes out of all of our pockets against our will and tax money should only be used for legitimate government expenditures that provide necessary services to the tax payers. No government grants for nothing including the arts and all those other "worthy causes" in my opinion as well.

Now, that said, I have no problem with non-profits sucking up a lot of money whether or not they are "saving the poor Afrincans" or not which I have no problem with. JUST GET YOUR MONEY FROM WILLING CONTRIBUTIONS NOT MY TAX DOLLARS TAKEN FROM ME AGAINST MY WILL. I have absolutely zero issues with non-profits and all those "worthy causes" that depend on private or corporate contributions and sponsership. Even made a few contributions myself here and there over the years. World Wide Humanitarian Aid, Inc. out of Ohio is one I've given to over the years; they mainly drill fresh water wells and instal the old style early 1900's technology big heavy duty, last forever, old fashioned metal hand pumps in places without access to fresh water and no electricity or other modern conveniences so the locals at least have a reliable source of good clean fresh water. Worthy causes should depend willing contributions not tax dollars that get squeezed out of people but painting with a broad brush and condeming all non-profits as leaches is going a little too far IMO.
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Laminated cardboard.... Is that not essentialyl just MDF? ;-)
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Originally Posted by Canaboo View Post
Like to know how that turns out. The idea that you can get a government grant (where does that money come from?) to make cheap bikes to sell somewhere other than the country of origin baffles me.
If they are so cheap that it doesn't matter if they don't last, why is giving a grant a wise choice?
I am fascinated by the number of businesses that seem to have some round about way of "saving the poor Africans".
'Not for profit' organizations seem to have a capacity to still suck up a lot of money, which has to come from somewhere.

Errr... the article was talking about grants for local production, not elsewhere. And the business model they were persuing would contribute to local production, not outsourcing. And its Isreal, what do you care what they do with their money?


I would have a little more concern about the recycled pulp they would use and would they have enough of it to make the bikes without having to go to new sources in these locations.
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The first article mentions giving the bikes away for free in poor countries and references Africa a few times.
Do you think African countries are interested in giving grants for people to make free bikes? Where is the money coming from if people are getting stuff for free?
Obviously I don't care what Israel does with their money but I am interested in why people like to dumb down things in value.
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