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mrv 09-26-14 04:10 PM

primer on Trek bonded aluminum
 
I ended up with this Trek 1400 ZX frame for free. It's a nice size for me, and now I'm riding it regularly (instead of my awesome 1992 Schwinn Paramount, I set up for my son).

I'd like to know how Trek bonded the aluminum; what did they use to bond it; what kind of life does the bonding have; should I be doing anything to take care of it (besides not sand blasting; using toxic paint stripper; or baking it in a powder coating machine).
- Actually, I hate the color to the point I don't think I'd ever change it. It's kind of this dark copper / brownish / burgundy.

I've not been able to identify how old it is, but I'm thinking 1992. I've pursued the Trek catalogs and have not seen any of the above colors listed.

JohnDThompson 09-27-14 10:58 AM

The Trek bonded aluminum frames used epoxy. Our recommendation for refinishing at the time was bead blasting the old finish to remove it. The original finish was Imron; not sure if that's even available anymore.

DannoXYZ 10-03-14 04:40 AM

You can still get Imron in Mexico. I stockpiled a couple gallons of clear when the low-VOC regulations went into effect. Currently, I cannot find any paint that flows as smoothly for as long to give a glass-smooth finish.

mrv 10-03-14 06:01 AM

I'm planning on keeping the original paint. I am going to try to buff out some of the lighter scratches.
I'm not sure how to handle the deeper paint marring. There's a few places where it looks like it spent lots of time bouncing around on a car-carrier - sides of the fork; sides of the seat stays. Since it's aluminum, corrosion is of no concern.

Any advice on care and feeding of the epoxy joints? Watch them for crack / separation like any old bike?

JohnDThompson 10-03-14 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by mrv (Post 17183457)
Any advice on care and feeding of the epoxy joints? Watch them for crack / separation like any old bike?

Just keep solvents away from them. We some issues with the first production run of those frames, where the epoxy in the joints was more flexible than the paint covering the joints. This caused a disconcerting crack in the paint at the joints, but eventually we figured out it was a cosmetic, rather than structural problem. IIRC, a little tweaking with the paint and epoxy formulation took care of the problem.

MikeDeM 10-17-14 10:59 AM

I've got two of these bikes. One has the original aluminum fork. That one has a softer ride, which I prefer. Great bike frames, in my opinion. A Trek rep once said they were their most reliable frames.

mrv 10-17-14 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by MikeDeM (Post 17225458)
A Trek rep once said they were their most reliable frames.

good to hear! i'm a man of steel, so this is a bit of a stretch for me.
i had a Cannondale touring bike and a Cannondale cyclocross bike for a while. probably i'm going to keep this one long term as my +1 road bike. it's a better ride than the Cannondales, i think. it fits well and it's a unique colour. the Cannondales ended up on dirt roads a lot - maybe not a fair comparison....
i'll ride it until i can build my own stainless steel frame, anyway.

slackard 03-10-16 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by MikeDeM (Post 17225458)
I've got two of these bikes. One has the original aluminum fork. That one has a softer ride, which I prefer. Great bike frames, in my opinion. A Trek rep once said they were their most reliable frames.

Old thread, but fwiw.. I'm still rocking my 97 6500 bonded Trek. I'm a ~200lb rider and pummel my 6500 regularly on advanced XC and more. Ive had about 6 different forks on it over the years, up to 150mm travel. Today, I rock a RS Revalation with 120/150mm travel. Over the years this bike has been jumped, dropped, trials'ed, ditched, crashed and more.

20 yrs after the original date of mfg, my bonded trek still rides pro champ!

The bonded frames are great and have stood the test of time.. Lots of people have voiced concerns over the aging of bonded frames and the epoxy used in them...

Know this:
Aluminum aircraft manufactured as early as the 1950s, with millions of hours of commercial & military operation, are still flying today. Those aircraft made extensive use of aluminum bonding techniques that Trek later adapted for their bonded frames.

Rest easy my friends.

mrv 03-10-16 08:34 PM

I sold my Trek 1400. It's a great bike - rides smooth, comfortable. I just had too many bikes. https://goo.gl/photos/LmLqaGyAhGdLjThi6
I think it went to a good owner. Maybe got $275ish for it. The wheels on it were not in great shape, but I was up front about that.
I've still got my old Schwinn Paramount I like a lot.

slackard 03-10-16 11:51 PM

Oh yeah.. forgot to add a photo of my trek.. Your 1400 looks sweet.. really nice shape.. I'd be sad to see it go :/

Here is my 97 6500, circa 2013... I upgraded the fork since then, but thats it... No welds! Its awesome!

http://www.polymetric.net/bikes/6500/trek2013-5.jpg
http://www.polymetric.net/bikes/6500/trek2013-7.jpg


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