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Yoeleo VS Farsports ...... help please !!!!

Old 05-04-15, 07:52 AM
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Yoeleo VS Farsports ...... help please !!!!

So i wanted to spend about 800 bucks on a pair of carbon wheels and came across with yoeleo and farsports..... which of the 2 is the best in terms of reliability and durability ?
I see that farsports offer dt 350 straight pull hubs .... any thoughts on that ???
Im mostly looking on something like 38mm no more than 50mm. I ve done research but i just cant find whats the best of the two ? Im cat 3 crit racer and just dont want to buy something that could break while making a hard turn or that the breaks will heat up a lot due to heavy braking ( yes carbon brakes heat up a lot i know, but i dont want it pop ).
Also i considered some good alum clinchers from williams cycling .... sorry if sound a bit messed up but im on a hurry ...XD
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if Yeoleo is still offering a basalt surface on their carbon rims, i'd stay away. that probably goes for any vendor, Farsport included.
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Thanks for your reply !!! Whats the reason that you would stay away from them if they still use basalt braking ??? Bad heat dissipation? ?
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i gave them about 500 miles but still have very uneven and grabby braking... i'm in the process of going to Shimano Xt hydraulics, on the front at least.

BTW, the braking was the only problem, otherwise my low-profile carbon tubular rims from Yeoleo are fine.
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Thanks a lot for your reply !!! Damm !!! Hydraulics !! Watch it otherwise your brake pads will go through any rim !! JK ...HAHA.... about the tubulars would you recommend clinchers intead of tubulars since ill be using on the weekends and racing ? Also this dude up there says to avoid basalt ? any idea why ? Thanks !!!!!
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Seems to me that carbon wheels are another "solution" to a problem that doesn't exist. Why not stick with alloys? They can be just as light, or lighter; and no braking issues, nor durability worries. You can get a helluva nice set of alloys for eight-hunnert bananas.
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Yea ....you are right my only concern was that i wasn't going to get the stiffness of a carbon wheels on a aluminum one.... if you know a good pair of alum wheels for the price ( preferably semi deep section ) for criteriums please let me know ! Your help is very much appreciated !!!!!
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Look for some used Zipps etc -- you can find a set in your price range. I'd much rather have a pair of used Zipps etc than new knock offs
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Yep !!! I was also looking for that option !!! But if i buy them used they have to from someone who i know or someone that i can contact in case something happends. My local bike shop told me that if i buy used i got be very careful since some of the owners could have had an accident on them..also i would have to see if the spokes are tensioned properly and if theres no corrocion inside of them cause it can lead to failure..... honestly i think they were exageratiing a little bit but they got a big point right there ....anyway thanks for the reply !
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Any other suggestions or comments on farsport wheels????
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Originally Posted by Stucky View Post
Seems to me that carbon wheels are another "solution" to a problem that doesn't exist. Why not stick with alloys? They can be just as light, or lighter; and no braking issues, nor durability worries. You can get a helluva nice set of alloys for eight-hunnert bananas.
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Yea ....you are right my only concern was that i wasn't going to get the stiffness of a carbon wheels on a aluminum one.... if you know a good pair of alum wheels for the price ( preferably semi deep section ) for criteriums please let me know ! Your help is very much appreciated !!!!!
No, he isn't right. The biggest advantage of carbon wheels is their light weight as they get deeper sectioned.

And I agree, I'd go for a used set of name brand wheels for $800.
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No, he isn't right. The biggest advantage of carbon wheels is their light weight as they get deeper sectioned.

And I agree, I'd go for a used set of name brand wheels for $800.
You can often find alloy wheels which are lighter than carbon- unless you're talking deep-section aero- which is another scam.
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You can often find alloy wheels which are lighter than carbon- unless you're talking deep-section aero- which is another scam.
I am talking deep section aero, which is why I said that, which is not a scam. But coming from "The Ultimate Fred" I suppose that is to be expected
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I am talking deep section aero, which is why I said that, which is not a scam. But coming from "The Ultimate Fred" I suppose that is to be expected
Nonsense. Unless one is racing, where a few seconds might make a difference, there is no discernible difference between deep-section carbon wheels and plain-old light alloy wheels. In fact, the deep-sections might slow you down in a cross-wind, and make handling difficult. If someone wants to blow their money on fancy rims, that's fine- but they should at least realize that the benefit they're getting is really just looks. As far as value for the money, good light alloys offer far better value. I'd much rather have lighter alloy non-aero wheels. A set of $800 alloy wheels will be superior to a set of $800 carbon aeros, as far as ride characteristics; braking; performance; and durability.

Of course, the decision is the OP's to make, and he should go with what he wants...but don't BS him; at least let him have a clear understanding of what he is really getting.
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Nonsense. Unless one is racing, where a few seconds might make a difference, there is no discernible difference between deep-section carbon wheels and plain-old light alloy wheels. In fact, the deep-sections might slow you down in a cross-wind, and make handling difficult. If someone wants to blow their money on fancy rims, that's fine- but they should at least realize that the benefit they're getting is really just looks. As far as value for the money, good light alloys offer far better value. I'd much rather have lighter alloy non-aero wheels. A set of $800 alloy wheels will be superior to a set of $800 carbon aeros, as far as ride characteristics; braking; performance; and durability.

Of course, the decision is the OP's to make, and he should go with what he wants...but don't BS him; at least let him have a clear understanding of what he is really getting.
Which the OP is....

The ONLY reason I won't argue with you further is because the OP said he wants the wheels for crits, where aero is arguably of a SLIGHTLY less importance. The rest I don't agree with you.
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Yes i will be doing crits as a cat 3 racing with cat 2 and sometimes cat 1s. Thanks a lot for your replyes !!! I really appreciate it !!! For what i have been reading deep section wheels are quite a scam ?? If i buy the carbons i will not go over 40mm ( it that ok ?) So another thing is aerodynamics dont matter too much in crits and that i should buy a really good set of alloys ... correct ?
One hing that i didnt mention is that i live in florida and down here we dont have hills... i will be going out of state for racing but the majority of my races will be in florida. Should i be concerned about braking if i go carbon ? Will the alloys give me as fast response as the carbons ??
Sorry if im bothering a lot iS just THAT i have so many questions in my head and i really dont want to mess with so much money ! i want to make the right purchase for next 3-5 years ....
Thanks !!!!!!!!
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Yes i agree wih you when it comes to seconds like in TT in crits unless you got in the break away ( wich is what i do cause im not a sprinter ) where i believe some seconds and aero benefits you.
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1) Yes i will be doing crits as a cat 3 racing with cat 2 and sometimes cat 1s.
2) For what i have been reading deep section wheels are quite a scam ??
3) If i buy the carbons i will not go over 40mm ( it that ok ?)
4) So another thing is aerodynamics dont matter too much in crits and that i should buy a really good set of alloys ... correct ?
5) One thing that i didnt mention is that i live in florida and down here we dont have hills...
6) Should i be concerned about braking if i go carbon ?
7) Will the alloys give me as fast response as the carbons ??
8) Sorry if im bothering a lot iS just THAT i have so many questions in my head and i really dont want to mess with so much money ! i want to make the right purchase for next 3-5 years ....
1) Cat 3 huh? Don't take this the wrong way but how do you get to that level and not know most of this stuff already?
2) Where have you been reading that? Links please.
3) Of course it's ok. I ride 38mm. But carbon at that size is certainly not a necessity. (I'm not saying you're right @Stucky so don't get a big head lol)
4) Not really right or wrong here. Again, you're a Cat 3 so you know that tactics and conditioning are far more important right? RIGHT??
5) Yes we do, central Florida has plenty of hills. Where do you live?
6) No, unless it's wet, then sort of. Same for alloy to an extent.
7) Yes. But this is a quality of the wheel issue, not a what material is it made of issue.
8) If you only have $800 to spend on wheels for the next 3-5 years then you better get something for around $400 so that when you crash and break them you can afford to replace them. Only race what you can replace is how the saying goes I think.
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Really good answer !!!
1) i do know a lot but i just need a different point of view and in order to get it i need to go back to the basics IMOP (dont take me wrong please XD )
2) i think someone mentioned it right on this thread not sure but i just had to throw that comment out.
3) so if its not a necesity that means that a wide toroidal rim at 38mm will be not much different than rim of the same width at 31mm ??
4) yes tactics and conditions are important also position on the field is also super important be at THE front most OF the time XD
5) south florida but i want to move up so bad !!!!!!
6) ^__^
7)so a chinese carbon with dt swiss hubs and sapim spokes will probably have less performance than a zipp 101 for example ?
8) you have a point.... maybe i can extended to 1k but thats as far as i will go
9) thanks for helping !!!!!!! You are amazing !!!!!
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Thanks please read my comment Xd
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1) Yes i will be doing crits as a cat 3 racing with cat 2 and sometimes cat 1s.
Cool!

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2) For what i have been reading deep section wheels are quite a scam ??
Depends. For the average recreational rider: Yes. They'll make no difference. In racing, they could possibly buy you a few seconds- which is really just leveling the playing field if your competition has them also. Then again, in a crosswind, they could cost you seconds. And since deepish aero rims are generally heavier than non-aero, the tiny aero advantage you gain may be neutralized by the extra weight. No one really tests these things in a fair and accurate way- I guess largely because there is so little difference, that it is meaningless; and plus it would make the manufacturers look bad, and hinder their purpose of pushing "the latest and greatest" stuff. In the end, I think it's all pretty much a wash- 6 of one- half a dozen of another.

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3) If i buy the carbons i will not go over 40mm ( it that ok ?)
I have 35's on one of my bikes. I feel them in the crosswind...but they're not a problem. I'd say 40 and under will not cause problems; and will not hinder performance.

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4) So another thing is aerodynamics dont matter too much in crits and that i should buy a really good set of alloys ... correct ?
Not so much that aero doesn't matter...but rather: How much more aero are "aero" wheels than just plain old wheels? And although you may make very tiny gains with aero wheels in a headwind; you'll likely lose some seconds in crosswinds.


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5) One thing that i didnt mention is that i live in florida and down here we dont have hills...
Lucky *@^*&&%$#$!!

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6) Should i be concerned about braking if i go carbon ?
Living where there are no hills? Shouldn't be too much of a problem.

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7) Will the alloys give me as fast response as the carbons ??
More so, if they are lighter and non-aero.

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8) Sorry if im bothering a lot iS just THAT i have so many questions in my head and i really dont want to mess with so much money ! i want to make the right purchase for next 3-5 years ....
Hey, that's why we are here; 'cause we enjoy sharing our experience, and the things we in-turn learned from others.

I think you'll probably have to try carbon wheels, to be convinced either way. They're not going to hurt you, so as long as you want them and don't mind spending the money, why not? Just as long as you understand that they're not magic, so that you won't be disappointed after spending the dough. And juswt keep in mind that the same money would buy you some light and pretty awesome alloys (I can't really recommend which specific ones, as I don't keep track of the wheel market...but I'm sure many others here could]

Good luck with whatever you decide. Don't sweat it too much- it's hard to go wrong with any quality bike products.
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Wow thanks a lot for your help ! Really i cant thank you guys enough !!!!!! I think its pretty clear now.... i will look for something light, fast and good. Either alloys or farsport carbons ....will be a good choice ... really thanks !!!!!!

Im starting to love this forum !!! Hahaha
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Originally Posted by otaner142 View Post
Wow thanks a lot for your help ! Really i cant thank you guys enough !!!!!! I think its pretty clear now.... i will look for something light, fast and good. Either alloys or farsport carbons ....will be a good choice ... really thanks !!!!!!

Im starting to love this forum !!! Hahaha
You're welcome. One more thing, the new shift to wider rims is largely a good thing. They allow you to ride wider tires at lower pressure which will do two things. 1) Supposedly more aero but that's not the most important thing and 2) improve the size of your contact patch, especially while cornering, which is a great thing for the traction you'll want during crits. So whatever wheels you get make sure they have a wide brake track, there's really no reason not to.
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Ok perfect ill take that in account ! Thanks !!!
Also i just received an email from farsport AKA wheelsfar regarding the braking temperature and braking material.
They stated that they are still using basalt braking but they are also implementing a resin on the braking, and that their braking surface will hold 220 degrees Celsius.
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Seems that you've decided to buy from farsports, recently I bought carbon rims from Boostbicycle, also in China. They are pretty good and look nice.
But they build wheels with novatec not DT that you want.
yep, wider rims can create better traction and road feeling.
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