Help me decide between these 2 bikes
 

Hello guys, I can´t decide what bike should I buy. The choice is totally between these two models. I am looking for a bike to start getting fit and start riding, (I use to have an old steel road bike years ago), and later on get a nice carbon road bike. These two are very similar, similar components as well, a bit better in the Scott. Similar prices, the willy is a bit more expensive.

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Neither...Get a Bike with Drop Bars

I like the Scott if these are the 2 choices.

I agree. I bought a flat bar bike year and half ago and I only use it for running errands and such. Otherwise, drop bars just have so many more and comfortable options . . .

Are you sure these two are your only options? If you are buying a bike for use on the roads most of the time, it doesn't make much sense to settle for a flat bar model, unless you have some specific requirements.

But if I had to make a choice between only these two bikes, I'd say the Scott is the better alternative due to having better frame geometry.

My main use is the city for now, I prefer flat bars, the city and the long bike lanes in the outskirts of the city, this is similar somehow to the road

Sorry, I'm going to have to go with this answer.

Agreed, I much prefer flat bars for the city however you may need to raise the bar higher for better visibility. Neither of those bikes seem to offer the benefit of a typical flat bar over drop bars, which is better visibility. Between the two, the willy is the better looking bike but which one rides better for you?

I understand the benefits of s drop bar, but I prefer a flat bar at this point, but I want a bike in the sporty side, no higher bars. I wan to ride in the long bike lanes in the outskirts of the city, and occasional commuting, get use to ride, I am not sure which geometry will be a bit better for that, since they are similar. The scott is a road bike with a flat bar, simple. The willy could have a more specific design for a race hybrid, but this could be just my imagination. I still don´t know which one to choose. I can´t try them in any local store.

vatdim, why is the better frame geometry? thanks

You say that you prefer the flat bar, but you don't really know... you could be wrong.

Do not buy a bike that you cannot ride first to decide about fit, comfort, and whether it will do what you expect it to do.

Either of those bikes could be modified to have an adjustable or higher rise stem to get the bars higher, but I wouldn't buy either one. Why not a road bike with "endurance" geometry, longer head tube, and more fork steerer with which to work? Go to a bike shop and ride several different bikes in your size. Get a feel for what you need. You might be surprised.

Most bicycles in this world, contrary to popular belief on this site, are not drop bar bikes. This is an American vision of what all bikes should be like. If you want a flat bar bike, buy a flat bar bike. I love it when you ask which is better A or B and people tell you, you don't want either but you want C. No, I am pretty sure the OP asked if A or B is better?

Look they are both very good bikes from good manufactures. Each is an aluminum frame, carbon fork and great components. The major difference is the Scott is a triple up front where the Willier has a double. Each bike would serve you well but if you need the extra gearing for that low to climb hills then the Scott may be the better choice.

I wouldn't be so caught up in the geometry of each bike, because you will never have all the numbers you truly need to make a comparison. Things like head tube length, stack height, rake or trail, all play a part and you very rarely get these numbers. I am sure they are both designed to do what they set out to do.

Buy one or the other, you won't regret it.

I am glad I read far enough down to see this comment because this is how I was feeling too. You ask an opinion and people tell you a third option that is the "best way" because they do it. I converted my mountain bike to a hybrid and I ride it on the road and kind of like for touring plus around town at times. As long as you get the bars to the right height and the proper grips it is pretty damm comfortable. At first I had my bars low like the bikes in the picture but the grips I was running had a tendancy to make my hands numb after a while. I liked the grips otherwise and instead of exterimenting with all kinds of grips on the market I simply raised my bars 10 mm by moving 2 spacers below the stem and by doing this I got my body weight off the bars so I didn't have so much weight on my hands. It made a night and day difference and I can still enjoy road riding with it. You don't need a drop bar bike unless your racing unless you feel you need to be like the Smiths and Jones. I love it when someone on something different rides right by one of the followers. Be your own person and screw everyone else. Let them blow all their money to be like their friends and neighbors. I think both bikes look cool that said. Go with whichever one fits you best. That's my story and I am sticking to it :) Good luck!

the reason 3rd options are offered is because an assumption that the OP is new is made. New people are not aware of all options, like that drop bars have a flat part to them, plus drops, plus hoods, plus ramps, plus scoops. A drop bar is for some reason intimidating, but it shouldn't be.

get either, then after riding for a few months, sell it and buy the bike you need.

In my experience as a cyclist and from what I've read in various books, the straighter the frame tubes, the better the bike handles and, more importantly, the better it endures heavier loads. The classic geometry is 2 triangles for this reason. The Scott pretty much has it, but the Wilier not so much. If you look closely, you can spot that the top tube makes a slight curve downwards right before reaching the seat post. Also, even harder to notice, is that the seatstays are actually curved slightly. Take an object that has a straight line and put it next to these tubes, you will see the curve.

Now many people would wave off such worries by saying that technology has made such things possible, etc. I don't disagree with that, I'm just saying that I personally prefer the classic geometry that the Scott has, since I feel it'd ride better and be more durable in the long run.

I have drop bar bikes and flat bar bikes. On the drop bar bikes I can move my hands around to relieve the pressures that build up in them when they stay in one position too long. On my flat bar bikes there's really just one place my hands can go and sooner or later they start to hurt from unmoveable pressure. In my mind, and why I recommended a drop bar bike, is that the real question is "Do you want your hands to hurt?". Between the two bikes he's thinking about, I don't know anything about either one and don't have an opinion. But I think if he wants to "start riding" there's some value in his hearing from those who already are riding and whose experience allows them to ask "Do you want a bike that will make you hurt more or hurt less."

yes, this, why limit yourself when you dont have to?

This is interesting, curvy geometry vs. straight geometry. Can we know more opinions about this?

Post the topic in the Framebuilders forum, bet you'd get a lot of good opinions quickly there.

In fairness, drop bars are not the only way to get multiple hand positions.

Just adding bar ends to a flat bar can make a big difference and replacing flat bars with Surly Open, FSA Metropolitan or Jones H bars can also be a nice upgrade without resorting to drops.

I don't ever use drop bars but its not because of visibility, it's because I mainly ride IGH hubs and shifters for those do not readily fit on drops without expensive upgrades, especially Rohloff shifters.

Based on my interpretation of the type of riding you will be doing, I would choose the Wilier, due to the compact double, and the visual appeal is nice too.