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Old 07-16-15, 03:52 PM
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Bottle Bewilderment

Just have to ask...

Everywhere I ride, and all the cyclists I see, I'd say 99.9% use the ol' conventional plastic, pull top water bottles. Now, here where I live it gets quite hot in the summer with smothering humidity. Water in those type bottles stay cool about 15 minutes tops. Here's what I use:
Amazon.com: Thermos Vacuum Insulated 18-Ounce Stainless-Steel Hydration Bottle: Kitchen & Dining

Question is, why in the world don't more riders use a bottle such as this?!? It's not heavy. Very easy to use with one hand operation. Fits standard holders well. And most of all... KEEPS YOUR WATER COLD!

What am I missing??
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Old 07-16-15, 03:55 PM
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I use polar insulated bottles
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Old 07-16-15, 04:00 PM
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It looks like when you tilt that bottle liquid would come gushing out. Might be ok if you are sitting upright or stopped, but conventional water bottles generally let you control the flow better and many won't release their contents until squeezed or sucked on. When you are riding along in a typical road bike position you are generally drinking from the sides of your mouth so you don't take your eyes off the road, which looks like using your bottle would be difficult.

They also make insulated plastic bottles which can keep liquids cool for a while as well.
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Old 07-16-15, 04:05 PM
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Insulated bottle, freeze half full then top up on way out.
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Old 07-16-15, 04:07 PM
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You're missing more expense, bulk, weight, and complexity for a benefit most riders don't care about.

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Old 07-16-15, 04:08 PM
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It doesn't really bother me that the water gets warm.
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Old 07-16-15, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
It doesn't really bother me that the water gets warm.
+1 this. Insulated bottle hold less than uninsulated bottles; to me, it's more important to stay hydrated than to have cold water.
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Old 07-16-15, 04:48 PM
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Yes, that one holds only 18 ounces. I don't really care if the water is warm or cool as long as I have enough.
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Old 07-16-15, 05:00 PM
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I use cheap plastic bottles that are light weight. I don't care if the water is warm.
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Old 07-16-15, 05:36 PM
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I'm looking for liquid in the bottle, and frankly have never been concerned about the temperature. I really don't think the difference in temperature between what any of the lightweight insulated ones and a plastic one makes a meaningful difference in the effectiveness or palatability of the fluid. If air temperature water causes you not to drink, you probably don't really need the hydration.
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Old 07-16-15, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Up North View Post
Insulated bottle, freeze half full then top up on way out.
+1
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Old 07-16-15, 05:47 PM
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All valid points. I'm learning...
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Old 07-16-15, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Up North View Post
Insulated bottle, freeze half full then top up on way out.
Makes sense!
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Old 07-16-15, 05:52 PM
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Insulated water bottles cost a ton more. When a bottle doesn't survive a trip through the washer...less bothersome when it is $2-5 to replace versus 2 or 3X that.
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Old 07-16-15, 05:54 PM
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I bought two of these and they work great for me. 25 ounces each and you don't have to mess around with opening/pulling the top to get water flow. Just grab it and give it a good squeeze to get all the water you need.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o03_s00
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Old 07-16-15, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by largefarva View Post
I bought two of these and they work great for me. 25 ounces each and you don't have to mess around with opening/pulling the top to get water flow. Just grab it and give it a good squeeze to get all the water you need.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o03_s00
+1 for the camelbak. I have three of these and they keep my water cold for at least an hour in the Florida heat.
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Old 07-16-15, 06:21 PM
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A well-meaning relative gave me a Camelbak insulated bottle for Christmas. Damn thing doesn't fit any of my cages.
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Old 07-16-15, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by largefarva View Post
I bought two of these and they work great for me. 25 ounces each and you don't have to mess around with opening/pulling the top to get water flow. Just grab it and give it a good squeeze to get all the water you need.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o03_s00
I also use two of these, one I fill with water and freeze, 2nd one half full with 50% diluted sports drink laid on it's side in the freezer. Just top off the 2nd one to ride, and the water one is half frozen when I get to it. So I have cold water for about 4hrs. In the Florida heat it helps a lot.
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I don't drink cooled water because I find in practice, it doesn't work nearly as well. For me, the primary reason to drink water/sports drink is ot stay hydrated (and keep my electrolytes up). If it is very hot, it is a given that I will not be able to drink enough to fully accomplish that, but the more I drink, the better. I don't carry electronics. I don't have a beeper that says drink 6 oz now every 15 minutes. I drink when I think of it and when I can. I try to drink enough when I do get to it.

Having warm water in my WB means that I can chug more than half the bottle in two back-to-back swigs. Doing that with cold water would have, for me, a bad outcome. I'd probably throw up. And being warm, it does not quench my thirst, I still want more. Good because my body still needs more.

Every year I get reminded, between winter rides with cold WBs and summer rides with warm bottles just how much more I can drink fast in the summer.

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Originally Posted by one4smoke View Post
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What am I missing??
What you're missing is that people carry water to hydrate, not to cool off. The added benefit from the water being cold is negligible, though it does feel good in your mouth. Also for some, drinking cold water when very hot can cause stomach cramps.

So, for most, cold is totally irrelevant.

But this is simply to answer the question asked. If you prefer cold water, I certainly don't have an issue with it.
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What you're missing is that people carry water to hydrate, not to cool off. The added benefit from the water being cold is negligible, though it does feel good in your mouth. Also for some, drinking cold water when very hot can cause stomach cramps.

So, for most, cold is totally irrelevant.

But this is simply to answer the question asked. If you prefer cold water, I certainly don't have an issue with it.
This thread is doing exactly want I want ...which is to educate me. What I'm learning here, is that cold water (which I always assumed) isn't necessary. Apparently, as long as it's not "hot", then it's perfectly fine. I'm also getting ideas on ideal bottles, which is very helpful.

Thanks for all the insight.
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....Apparently, as long as it's not "hot", then it's perfectly fine. ....
Thanks for all the insight.
Even if it's hot, that's not an issue either. In the scheme of things the thermal effects are meaningless. I knew someone who only used black water bottles that warmed water bottles to the temperature of cool tea. He liked sipping warm water, and when I tried it, found it no better, no worse.
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It doesn't really bother me that the water gets warm.
Same here. I often put a splash of lemon juice in, which helps make it more drinkable.
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Originally Posted by Up North View Post
Insulated bottle, freeze half full then top up on way out.
This. Camelbak Podium Big Chill.

Fill first bottle 1/3 full, freeze.
Fill second bottle with electrolyte mix 2/3 full, freeze.

Fill both on the way out the door. Drink the water bottle first, then the electrolyte bottle.

I don't mind warm water either, but try riding in 100+ degree weather. There's nothing refreshing about 90 degree water after 3 hours on the road.
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I don't mind warm water either, but try riding in 100+ degree weather. There's nothing refreshing about 90 degree water after 3 hours on the road.
That was my line of thinking too.
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