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Old 08-24-15, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter
No by the way I am not. But thanks for asking.... and steering the conversation in the direction... back where it really started.

I bet you have! In your meetings perhaps? Which one of these posts gave you the impression I thought "virtually everybody who ever indulges in an adult beverage is on the road to being an alcoholic"?
I'm not an alcoholic--as regards my brother, grandfather, and great uncle, however, the story is quite different. I'm glad you are not as well.

Also, I was a corrections officer for a number of years, so I dealt with a lot of people for whom abuse (not necessarily alcoholism) was at least partially the cause for their incarceration. Actually, in my dealings with thousands of inmates, few were actually alcoholics, but many were alcohol/drug abusers.

with regard to which one of your posts gave me reason to come to the conclusions I did, it's not one in particular, it's the totality of your posts in this thread. You are rather vehement and iconoclastic with regard to how you phrase your posts overall. Try looking at your posts without benefit of knowing your intent in writing them, and I think you'd be surprised at how they come across--it's as if you are a modern-day Carrie Nation...
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I wouldn't ride and drink EVER, but I like your choice of beers.
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Originally Posted by echale3
....... looking at your posts without benefit of knowing your intent in writing them, and I think you'd be surprised at how they come across--it's as if you are a modern-day Carrie Nation...
LOL. I had to google Carrie Nation.

I try to avoid the stats and links crapola in my posts. As soon as someone posts a fact... that changes the direction of the thread... as no one agrees on the facts. And with google handy.... facts point in all directions (and I just know some will disagree with that statement).

I believe cycling to be pretty safe. Don't pin me down on exact numbers.... but about half of cyclist that die as a result of riding are adults. Half of those adult deaths involve drinking. Sometimes it's the cyclists drinking... sometimes a motorist.

I've played golf where we had designated people to drive us home. It was a lot of fun.... I've heard of similar softball teams. Nothing wrong with having fun and using some sort of chemical enhancement. But driving and or cycling doesn't really lend itself well to drugs and alcohol.
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I've read the entire thread. I enjoy an occasional cold beer, especially when cooking on the barbecue or relaxing with friends at a social setting. One beer. I don't ever want to be impaired in any way. Life is challenging enough without all of my senses on highest alert.

Now comes to the bike riding... the answer is no. Not ever. Again, I think that the risks of riding are great enough without compounding them by taking away either my hearing, my judgment or my reaction times (all of which are influenced by alcohol). No.

The same goes for anything athletic. Heck, I'm 56 years old now, and cannot afford to give away anything more than I've already lost in terms of quickness, flexibility, balance. Also, beer is an ADH suppressor, so it's throwing off the body's water balance, leading potentially to dehydration. Again a performance limiter. So, no.

I hope that this isn't difficult to understand.
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One beer is going to have very slight, if any, impairment to a person's judgement and reaction time, unless he or she is a lightweight or teetotaler. Since it's not illegal, and not dangerous, it's not really anyone's business if a cyclist decides to have a cool one during a break in his private ride.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
One beer is going to have very slight, if any, impairment to a person's judgement and reaction time, unless he or she is a lightweight or teetotaler. Since it's not illegal, and not dangerous, it's not really anyone's business if a cyclist decides to have a cool one during a break in his private ride.
Ha, I love the implied ad hominem attack 'if you can't handle one beer, there's something wrong with you!'
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Ha, I love the implied ad hominem attack 'if you can't handle one beer, there's something wrong with you!'
I didn't see an attack. Simply a reference to the fact that response or tolerance to alcohol varies among people. Each person needs to know himself and his own alcohol tolerance, and act accordingly. For some that might mean that one beer is too much, for others one (or more) is fine. Alcohol tolerance also increases with use over time, so non drinkers are more likely to feel the effects of a single beer.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
I didn't see an attack. Simply a reference to the fact that response or tolerance to alcohol varies among people. Each person needs to know himself and his own alcohol tolerance, and act accordingly. For some that might mean that one beer is too much, for others one (or more) is fine. Alcohol tolerance also increases with use over time, so non drinkers are more likely to feel the effects of a single beer.
I'm not arguing the principle. I just find the words "lightweight" and "teetotaler" to be pejoratives.
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Originally Posted by Coal Buster
Ha, I love the implied ad hominem attack 'if you can't handle one beer, there's something wrong with you!'
Lightweight == low body mass.
teetotaler == someone who abstains, will be more affected by small quantities.

No opprobrium, just the facts. I don't think either of these could be construed as something wrong with someone.

There are also, more rarely, other physiological conditions but I didn't mention them. One beer is not going to be an impairment for most people. It's a tempest in a teapot.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
Lightweight == low body mass.
teetotaler == someone who abstains, will be more affected by small quantities.

No opprobrium, just the facts. I don't think either of these could be construed as something wrong with someone.

There are also, more rarely, other physiological conditions but I didn't mention them. One beer is not going to be an impairment for most people. It's a tempest in a teapot.
Be honest. In the world of men, both those terms have negative associations with them.
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Originally Posted by Coal Buster
Be honest. In the world of men, both those terms have negative associations with them.
That's really what it's all about in this thread, isn't it? People have negative associations with "drinking", and "drinking while cycling" and have made many posts based on those associations. But the reality is there is little or no harm in having a beer in the middle of a ride. Unless it is someone who habitually abstains or is unusually small (are those acceptable descriptions?), and then there may be some minor impairment.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
That's really what it's all about in this thread, isn't it? People have negative associations with "drinking", and "drinking while cycling" and have made many posts based on those associations. But the reality is there is little or no harm in having a beer in the middle of a ride. Unless it is someone who habitually abstains or is unusually small (are those acceptable descriptions?), and then there may be some minor impairment.
That's better

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Originally Posted by wphamilton
That's really what it's all about in this thread, isn't it? People have negative associations with "drinking", and "drinking while cycling" and have made many posts based on those associations. But the reality is there is little or no harm in having a beer in the middle of a ride. Unless it is someone who habitually abstains or is unusually small (are those acceptable descriptions?), and then there may be some minor impairment.
OMG, the lengths you have to go to to avoid offending some people. I wouldn't have bothered.
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OMG, I wouldn't have bothered.
He's not from NYC. I'm not from NYC either, but don't want to put down my brew to respond in kind.
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I've been known to go for a ride after a beer but now I tend to stick to cracking one open post ride.
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Pub cycling quite common in my neck of the woods....LOL




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I sure do. And when I have a beer or two on the club ride tomorrow night, I'll keep in mind the moralistic nagging from this thread, and that will make it/them all the sweeter.
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I prefer coke. The only time I enjoy some coke is during a ride. Its the lighter stuff if its not a ride day.
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Originally Posted by Orly
Pub cycling quite common in my neck of the woods....LOL



Looks like fun but too big for single track.
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Originally Posted by wvridgerider
Looks like fun but too big for single track.
you may need to redefine your interpretation of "single track..."
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lot of uptight people on this thread. to each their own. live and let live. lighten up francis.
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Originally Posted by ooga-booga
......lighten up francis.
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What on Earth are you posting about?!?!? I don't even know how to spell "illicit". What makes a drug illicit anyway? Doesn't sound like I am the prud!!!! The laws and views on/about drugs vary. I only group them together because I don't have your sense on how to separate them. Please feel free to explain the differences.
You spelled illicit just fine. Illicit and illegal are synonyms. You can surely make the connection from there.


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I didn't know I had my own "personal ideology"! Want to share with me what you've assigned my personal ideology to be?
Well I'm not sure what to say about that, except that you must be lacking in the ability to identify self. You're the one who posted about it not being ok to have a beer while cycling, and now you are unsure of your own ideology? Are you munching pills?


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No. The reality is... alcohol is very addictive and destructive. Other drugs are likely just as bad. Whether using the park systems with children around... or highways with car around. Drinking/drugging and driving/cycling is wrong. Everyone knows that. Unfortunately some with addictive issues have to rationalize unsafe public usage as they have no choice.

If you need to pause your cycling to have a drink or drug so as to enhance your enjoyment.... you have a problem.
Alcohol in moderation is not addictive and destructive - in case you're not paying attention that is your ideology I am responding to - the Mayo Clinic says that moderate drinking (2/day men, 1/day women) is linked to reduction in cardiac mortality, risk of ischemic stroke, risk of diabetes.

Like everything related to biology, there are no absolutes. Even quantum physics tells us that we can only ever know probability of a specific event occurring. It's good of you take up the MADD cause and paint all alcohol as bad, but the reality is that is just not the case.

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Originally Posted by Orly
Pub cycling quite common in my neck of the woods....LOL



Alrighty then, any of the naysayers care to join the ladies? I'm sure they will be fascinated to hear your uptight blather
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Originally Posted by ooga-booga
lighten up francis.

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