Are Bicycle Mechanics Angry and Arrogant?
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OP, you spend too much time on the phone. We are so used to instant communication gratification that we forget how difficult it is to get sensible information from a store employee on the telephone. And on the other side of the conversation being interrupted during other work by the telephone is one of the most bothersome aspects about running a small store. Maybe it shouldn't be that way but it is. Both of the problems you describe were related to rather silly inquiries you made on the phone. Did you really have to take them away from other customers to find out what the simplest possible mechanical job would cost...and whether you could get that price discounted? Did you have a right to call and ask? Certainly. Was it the smart thing to do? Not so much. I wouldn't blame the folks in the store for thinking you were just trying to aggravate them. Almost like the old prank about calling a tobacconist to ask if they have Prince Albert in the can.
Next time just go and do your business with them face to face. The interaction will be much more satisfactory. I guarantee it.
Next time just go and do your business with them face to face. The interaction will be much more satisfactory. I guarantee it.
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There are good and bad bike mechanics. But to be arrogant about being able to repair such a simple machine as a bike in kind of dumb. When I was working I serviced a complex Selectric type setter that had 5000 parts. How does that compare to a bike if you even counted each link and roller in the chain?
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This thread reminds me of this story:
I brought our tandem bike in once to get a headset replaced. Normally I do all my own maintenance but this one seemed to tricky. Turning my own wrench I know this bike needs a good deal of work. When picking it up I remarked "thanks, I know this bike has a few things wrong with it". Mechanic replied "Actually, I'd say it doesn't have much right with it". Meh.
I put LBS, record shop, or craft beer stores in the same category. People who are really in to their hobby, so much so that they do it for a living, and get a little snobby as a result. So be it.
I brought our tandem bike in once to get a headset replaced. Normally I do all my own maintenance but this one seemed to tricky. Turning my own wrench I know this bike needs a good deal of work. When picking it up I remarked "thanks, I know this bike has a few things wrong with it". Mechanic replied "Actually, I'd say it doesn't have much right with it". Meh.
I put LBS, record shop, or craft beer stores in the same category. People who are really in to their hobby, so much so that they do it for a living, and get a little snobby as a result. So be it.
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This thread reminds me of this story:
I brought our tandem bike in once to get a headset replaced. Normally I do all my own maintenance but this one seemed to tricky. Turning my own wrench I know this bike needs a good deal of work. When picking it up I remarked "thanks, I know this bike has a few things wrong with it". Mechanic replied "Actually, I'd say it doesn't have much right with it". Meh.
I put LBS, record shop, or craft beer stores in the same category. People who are really in to their hobby, so much so that they do it for a living, and get a little snobby as a result. So be it.
I brought our tandem bike in once to get a headset replaced. Normally I do all my own maintenance but this one seemed to tricky. Turning my own wrench I know this bike needs a good deal of work. When picking it up I remarked "thanks, I know this bike has a few things wrong with it". Mechanic replied "Actually, I'd say it doesn't have much right with it". Meh.
I put LBS, record shop, or craft beer stores in the same category. People who are really in to their hobby, so much so that they do it for a living, and get a little snobby as a result. So be it.
So, a bit of elitism/snobbiness is compounded by everyday financial worries.
I wonder if someone could create a bike cafe: make all their money selling coffee at $4 a pop all day long, and then have some fun selling a few bikes here and there.
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The world is already full of shops that only do coffee and do that rather badly.
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I had an odd exchange with a bike mechanic this weekend.
I was going to do a handlebar adjustment, and did a quick check of the stem. I noticed it was a touch off center.
Watched a few youtube videos, and it seemed straightforward enough of a job to take care of my own. Now, my rate of success with bike repair and adjustment is pretty good. I'm not bad at truing wheels and derailleurs and other basic stuff.
The stem adjustment seemed very basic. However, I have found a local mechanic who I think does some really high quality work. I figured I'd pay him $5 or $10 for a quick adjustment. Win-win.
I called the shop and asked him how much to get the stem centered. He said it was easy, wouldn't take long at all, and wouldn't cost anything. He said just bring it in, he'll take care of it. I thought that was awesome of him.
He's a square guy, I thought. I had come in before for a front and rear derailleur adjustment and he did excellent work. He actually discouraged me from getting the rear derailleur adjusted. He said it worked well enough. I paid him to adjust both though, since I knew he could improve on the work I had done on the rear derailleur.
My intuition was correct and his work was excellent. So, I roll in, tell him I had called earlier in the day about a stem adjustment. He seemed intent on dishing a wheel when I arrived.
He looks up and just glares at me. Without saying a word, he reached for my bike and gets to work. He loosens a couple of bolts, eyeballs the stem, nudges it to the side a bit, and re-tightens the bolts.
"Ten dollars." He stares me in the eye with a fair bit of menace. I didn't protest. I just paid the $10, thanked him and left. I checked the work very quickly (once I was outside) and noticed the stem still wasn't centered! Before, it was off right, and now, it was off left.
I just kind of had a chuckle, and rode off. I'll do the work on my own later, but I'm still curious as to why this mechanic was so angry.
I've paid for repairs before (paying for more work than recommended) here, and was willing to pay again if he had let me know ahead of time.
He's an excellent mechanic, but for whatever reason, seems very thin skinned and slightly volatile.
I was hoping to use him as my regular mechanic in the event (probably on more than one occasion) where my own work was less than stellar. Obviously, I can't do that now, but it's too bad that he seems so impatient.
What's going on with this mechanic?
Also, one thing that was a bit off: the shop is supposed to have a 10% discount for members of a local cycling club. I called about the discount over the phone with regard to the derailleur adjustments. He said, yes, they offer the discount when we talked on the phone.
However, once I was in the shop, he refused to honor the discount. He charged me the regular shop rate. Now, his work is outstanding, so it's well worth the regular rate, but it bothered me that he has baited and switched me twice now on shop rates.
I know shops don't make a ton of money, but I think a shop should honor it's word.
I was going to do a handlebar adjustment, and did a quick check of the stem. I noticed it was a touch off center.
Watched a few youtube videos, and it seemed straightforward enough of a job to take care of my own. Now, my rate of success with bike repair and adjustment is pretty good. I'm not bad at truing wheels and derailleurs and other basic stuff.
The stem adjustment seemed very basic. However, I have found a local mechanic who I think does some really high quality work. I figured I'd pay him $5 or $10 for a quick adjustment. Win-win.
I called the shop and asked him how much to get the stem centered. He said it was easy, wouldn't take long at all, and wouldn't cost anything. He said just bring it in, he'll take care of it. I thought that was awesome of him.
He's a square guy, I thought. I had come in before for a front and rear derailleur adjustment and he did excellent work. He actually discouraged me from getting the rear derailleur adjusted. He said it worked well enough. I paid him to adjust both though, since I knew he could improve on the work I had done on the rear derailleur.
My intuition was correct and his work was excellent. So, I roll in, tell him I had called earlier in the day about a stem adjustment. He seemed intent on dishing a wheel when I arrived.
He looks up and just glares at me. Without saying a word, he reached for my bike and gets to work. He loosens a couple of bolts, eyeballs the stem, nudges it to the side a bit, and re-tightens the bolts.
"Ten dollars." He stares me in the eye with a fair bit of menace. I didn't protest. I just paid the $10, thanked him and left. I checked the work very quickly (once I was outside) and noticed the stem still wasn't centered! Before, it was off right, and now, it was off left.
I just kind of had a chuckle, and rode off. I'll do the work on my own later, but I'm still curious as to why this mechanic was so angry.
I've paid for repairs before (paying for more work than recommended) here, and was willing to pay again if he had let me know ahead of time.
He's an excellent mechanic, but for whatever reason, seems very thin skinned and slightly volatile.
I was hoping to use him as my regular mechanic in the event (probably on more than one occasion) where my own work was less than stellar. Obviously, I can't do that now, but it's too bad that he seems so impatient.
What's going on with this mechanic?
Also, one thing that was a bit off: the shop is supposed to have a 10% discount for members of a local cycling club. I called about the discount over the phone with regard to the derailleur adjustments. He said, yes, they offer the discount when we talked on the phone.
However, once I was in the shop, he refused to honor the discount. He charged me the regular shop rate. Now, his work is outstanding, so it's well worth the regular rate, but it bothered me that he has baited and switched me twice now on shop rates.
I know shops don't make a ton of money, but I think a shop should honor it's word.
Also, is it possible that the mechanic you spoke with on the phone was not the same one you encountered in the shop?
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Do you get a lot of freebies there?
You say he was "intent on dishing a wheel". Perhaps he didn't want to leave that more complicated job in order to do a freebie? Dishing truing a wheel is much easier when you're in the groove doing it. Stopping part way through means you have to remember which spoke you were tweaking when you interrupted the job.
How long after calling did you arrive at the shop? Was it close to closing?
Has he been this way before?
Perhaps between the time you called and you arrived he had to deal with a nasty or unknowledgable customer. At one shop I worked at we had a few customers who mainly wanted freebies done. we'd do one little quick adjustment for them and they'd come back with morer.
Sometimes a mechanic will simply get frustrated that a bicyclist can't make an extremely simple adjustment. Unless the bicyclist doesn't have the tool to do that simple adjustment with.
I ponder that you can do what you say you can with wheels but you can't align a stem properly even though you can see the misalignment.
Give the guy the benefit of the doubt or find another shop.
Cheers
You say he was "intent on dishing a wheel". Perhaps he didn't want to leave that more complicated job in order to do a freebie? Dishing truing a wheel is much easier when you're in the groove doing it. Stopping part way through means you have to remember which spoke you were tweaking when you interrupted the job.
How long after calling did you arrive at the shop? Was it close to closing?
Has he been this way before?
Perhaps between the time you called and you arrived he had to deal with a nasty or unknowledgable customer. At one shop I worked at we had a few customers who mainly wanted freebies done. we'd do one little quick adjustment for them and they'd come back with morer.
Sometimes a mechanic will simply get frustrated that a bicyclist can't make an extremely simple adjustment. Unless the bicyclist doesn't have the tool to do that simple adjustment with.
I ponder that you can do what you say you can with wheels but you can't align a stem properly even though you can see the misalignment.
Give the guy the benefit of the doubt or find another shop.
Cheers
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In addition to the snobbiness, there's a bit of economic pressure on shops. They have to become high volume repair shops to make any money.
So, a bit of elitism/snobbiness is compounded by everyday financial worries.
I wonder if someone could create a bike cafe: make all their money selling coffee at $4 a pop all day long, and then have some fun selling a few bikes here and there.
So, a bit of elitism/snobbiness is compounded by everyday financial worries.
I wonder if someone could create a bike cafe: make all their money selling coffee at $4 a pop all day long, and then have some fun selling a few bikes here and there.
Here in town a neat coffee shop tried adding a bicycle repair/used bicycle sales branch. It worked well enough except for those who wanted everything done for free and never bought coffee. It tanked because of those.
Cheers
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Wow, that sounds rough. I have had similar incidents at coops where some members are really welcoming and others look down their noses at you. I always try to do all my own work first and then consult different shops around the area. It is nice to get a range of opinions... and find out who is trying to upsell
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Why, they're getting paid aren't they? If they don't like doing the "extremely simple adjustments", just raise the cost to do those adjustments and maybe customers won't bother them with simple things. At the very least, they will get paid more to do them, LOL.
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I had an odd exchange with a bike mechanic this weekend.
I was going to do a handlebar adjustment, and did a quick check of the stem. I noticed it was a touch off center.
Watched a few youtube videos, and it seemed straightforward enough of a job to take care of my own. Now, my rate of success with bike repair and adjustment is pretty good. I'm not bad at truing wheels and derailleurs and other basic stuff.
The stem adjustment seemed very basic. However, I have found a local mechanic who I think does some really high quality work. I figured I'd pay him $5 or $10 for a quick adjustment. Win-win.
I called the shop and asked him how much to get the stem centered. He said it was easy, wouldn't take long at all, and wouldn't cost anything. He said just bring it in, he'll take care of it. I thought that was awesome of him.
He's a square guy, I thought. I had come in before for a front and rear derailleur adjustment and he did excellent work. He actually discouraged me from getting the rear derailleur adjusted. He said it worked well enough. I paid him to adjust both though, since I knew he could improve on the work I had done on the rear derailleur.
My intuition was correct and his work was excellent. So, I roll in, tell him I had called earlier in the day about a stem adjustment. He seemed intent on dishing a wheel when I arrived.
He looks up and just glares at me. Without saying a word, he reached for my bike and gets to work. He loosens a couple of bolts, eyeballs the stem, nudges it to the side a bit, and re-tightens the bolts.
"Ten dollars." He stares me in the eye with a fair bit of menace. I didn't protest. I just paid the $10, thanked him and left. I checked the work very quickly (once I was outside) and noticed the stem still wasn't centered! Before, it was off right, and now, it was off left.
I just kind of had a chuckle, and rode off. I'll do the work on my own later, but I'm still curious as to why this mechanic was so angry.
I've paid for repairs before (paying for more work than recommended) here, and was willing to pay again if he had let me know ahead of time.
He's an excellent mechanic, but for whatever reason, seems very thin skinned and slightly volatile.
I was hoping to use him as my regular mechanic in the event (probably on more than one occasion) where my own work was less than stellar. Obviously, I can't do that now, but it's too bad that he seems so impatient.
What's going on with this mechanic?
Also, one thing that was a bit off: the shop is supposed to have a 10% discount for members of a local cycling club. I called about the discount over the phone with regard to the derailleur adjustments. He said, yes, they offer the discount when we talked on the phone.
However, once I was in the shop, he refused to honor the discount. He charged me the regular shop rate. Now, his work is outstanding, so it's well worth the regular rate, but it bothered me that he has baited and switched me twice now on shop rates.
I know shops don't make a ton of money, but I think a shop should honor it's word.
I was going to do a handlebar adjustment, and did a quick check of the stem. I noticed it was a touch off center.
Watched a few youtube videos, and it seemed straightforward enough of a job to take care of my own. Now, my rate of success with bike repair and adjustment is pretty good. I'm not bad at truing wheels and derailleurs and other basic stuff.
The stem adjustment seemed very basic. However, I have found a local mechanic who I think does some really high quality work. I figured I'd pay him $5 or $10 for a quick adjustment. Win-win.
I called the shop and asked him how much to get the stem centered. He said it was easy, wouldn't take long at all, and wouldn't cost anything. He said just bring it in, he'll take care of it. I thought that was awesome of him.
He's a square guy, I thought. I had come in before for a front and rear derailleur adjustment and he did excellent work. He actually discouraged me from getting the rear derailleur adjusted. He said it worked well enough. I paid him to adjust both though, since I knew he could improve on the work I had done on the rear derailleur.
My intuition was correct and his work was excellent. So, I roll in, tell him I had called earlier in the day about a stem adjustment. He seemed intent on dishing a wheel when I arrived.
He looks up and just glares at me. Without saying a word, he reached for my bike and gets to work. He loosens a couple of bolts, eyeballs the stem, nudges it to the side a bit, and re-tightens the bolts.
"Ten dollars." He stares me in the eye with a fair bit of menace. I didn't protest. I just paid the $10, thanked him and left. I checked the work very quickly (once I was outside) and noticed the stem still wasn't centered! Before, it was off right, and now, it was off left.
I just kind of had a chuckle, and rode off. I'll do the work on my own later, but I'm still curious as to why this mechanic was so angry.
I've paid for repairs before (paying for more work than recommended) here, and was willing to pay again if he had let me know ahead of time.
He's an excellent mechanic, but for whatever reason, seems very thin skinned and slightly volatile.
I was hoping to use him as my regular mechanic in the event (probably on more than one occasion) where my own work was less than stellar. Obviously, I can't do that now, but it's too bad that he seems so impatient.
What's going on with this mechanic?
Also, one thing that was a bit off: the shop is supposed to have a 10% discount for members of a local cycling club. I called about the discount over the phone with regard to the derailleur adjustments. He said, yes, they offer the discount when we talked on the phone.
However, once I was in the shop, he refused to honor the discount. He charged me the regular shop rate. Now, his work is outstanding, so it's well worth the regular rate, but it bothered me that he has baited and switched me twice now on shop rates.
I know shops don't make a ton of money, but I think a shop should honor it's word.
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Thanks for outing this guy, happy he was caught and removed.