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Old 10-07-15, 10:54 AM
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Noob cycling shoe/pedaling question

Hello everyone,

I am currently working on a school project regarding the topic ranging of urban cycling and bike couriers.
So I have learned that having a stiff-soled shoe allows the person to transfer greater energy when cycling= more energy efficient. My question is: what is the benefit of preventing the movement of raising the heel? I understand the benefit behind having the sole prevent the foot flexing around the pedal can help however, I am confused of how preventing the foot from raising up (heel up and on balls of your feet) can help.

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Old 10-07-15, 11:04 AM
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Get out the Clip board,hit the streets, and ask people on the street that are Messengers If that is the population you want data from .

people write here from desks , not working on the street, Hustling parcels around town ..



regular pedals and the shoes that are comfortable to stand on hard floors all day long in.

Insoles with rigid arch supports can make any shoe a Bike shoe.

Dont over think this ..
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Old 10-07-15, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jpark93 View Post
Hello everyone,

I am currently working on a school project regarding the topic ranging of urban cycling and bike couriers.
So I have learned that having a stiff-soled shoe allows the person to transfer greater energy when cycling= more energy efficient. My question is: what is the benefit of preventing the movement of raising the heel? I understand the benefit behind having the sole prevent the foot flexing around the pedal can help however, I am confused of how preventing the foot from raising up (heel up and on balls of your feet) can help.

Thank you
Not familiar with this concept. What is it, and Where did you hear this ?
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Old 10-07-15, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
Not familiar with this concept. What is it, and Where did you hear this ?
Sorry if I wasn't clear with my previous post. So with a road cycling shoe, due to the stiff sole plate it limits flexibility. When walking in them, it can be uncomfortable and difficult to walk in because it doesn't allow the person to flex their toes and raise their heel off the ground like you would naturally do when walking. So what I was wondering was with a stiff sole that basically limits that type of movement of the foot, does that have a benefit when pedaling? or is that just a side effect of preventing the sole from flexing around the pedal?

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Old 10-07-15, 12:05 PM
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The old style cycling shoes with rigid steel shank soles and metal cleats like the Detto Pietros of the 1970s and earlier were designed to lock the feet into a position that was considered most efficient, using the calf muscles and extension of the foot. Most bike shop cobblers would mount the cleat under the ball of the foot, although they might vary a bit fore and aft depending on rider preference.

I recall my Dettos were efficient for flats and downhills but never felt right climbing hills. I was never a strong climber and in retrospect probably needed a set with cleats nearer the middle of my foot. Conventional wisdom wasn't always right about using the ball of the foot for everything, and some experienced road riders would advise shifting the foot slightly forward into the pedal to get stronger muscles involved in mashing those pedals. That wasn't possible with the cleated Dettos and toe clips.

Since resuming riding I'm not using toe clips or clipless pedals and shift my foot around freely to suit flats, uphills and downhills. And it definitely does feel better to me to center my instead over the pedal for climbing. I might add some Power Grips or something similar but I don't see myself returning to specialized cycling shoes or pedals, toe clips or clipless. I prefer to wear my low top Montrail hiking shoes or other ordinary walking shoes.
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Old 10-07-15, 12:38 PM
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Respectfully, unless you've done the experiments yourself, you've learned what the conventional wisdom is about pedals/shoes, not about pedals/shoes themselves. If you interview people, again, you learn what they say, but not about pedals/shoes. Unless your teacher is a dimwit, s/he'll be well impressed if you make that distinction in your report.

Energy that goes into moving the foot around the pedal spindle is energy that doesn't go into moving the pedal.

I urge you to search the web on 'mid-foot pedal position' for another take. I started using studded flat pedals and Five Ten shoes (that's just one vendor of this type of shoe) a 200-300 miles ago, and I've had startlingly good riding - better than rattraps/toe clips/straps, better than quills/toe clips straps/, better than with quills/toe clips straps/nailed-on cleats, better than SPD 'clipless'.
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Old 10-08-15, 08:16 AM
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Probably the best suggestion has been made. Ask a few bike messengers what they wear. A totally stiff road shoe would not seem to be the best answer since they have to park the bike and walk thru large office buildings. I dont know but I would suggest they may wear some kind of mountain biking shoe that is easier to walk in.
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I live and work in New York City; have worked as a messenger on my motorcycle
along with bike messengers in the same company for a few years. Most bike
messengers here(NYC) wear sneakers(boots in the winter) and not clipless shoes.
Stiff soled shoes help with power transfer.

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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Probably the best suggestion has been made. Ask a few bike messengers what they wear. .
Seriously. You young whippersnappers are always using your computers to do the work. How do you know who your asking? All the respondents could be ISIS recruiters or pervs with bicycle fetishes for all you know. Your supposed to be doing primary research, so get off your ass and hit the streets. Talk to REAL people doing the activity in question.
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Old 10-08-15, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by avidone1 View Post
Seriously. You young whippersnappers are always using your computers to do the work. How do you know who your asking? All the respondents could be ISIS recruiters or pervs with bicycle fetishes for all you know. Your supposed to be doing primary research, so get off your ass and hit the streets. Talk to REAL people doing the activity in question.
... or actually try the shoes yourself and experience the difference.
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Old 10-08-15, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jpark93 View Post
Sorry if I wasn't clear with my previous post. So with a road cycling shoe, due to the stiff sole plate it limits flexibility. When walking in them, it can be uncomfortable and difficult to walk in because it doesn't allow the person to flex their toes and raise their heel off the ground like you would naturally do when walking. So what I was wondering was with a stiff sole that basically limits that type of movement of the foot, does that have a benefit when pedaling? or is that just a side effect of preventing the sole from flexing around the pedal?

Thank you
On a pedal, the heel can still go up and down, because the pedal rotates around the spindle. If you peruse enough cycling sites, you'll hear about people that are "toe-down", flat, or "heel-down" pedalers.

Now, the foot does not flex, so that keeps you from losing power, no matter which type of pedaler you are. And some people use all 3 techniques, but at different times.

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