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Looking for a touring bicycle, trying to decide between Koga and Tout Terrain

Old 11-12-15, 05:18 PM
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Looking for a touring bicycle, trying to decide between Koga and Tout Terrain

I have been looking at both bikes for a while. I am in awe of Mark Beaumont and what he achieved with his Koga and really love butterfly bars and their adjustable headset. I also am mesmerized by the Tout Terrain Silk Road and its German craftsmanship. It looks as though Kogas are not easy to get here in the USA so I will never get to try one unless I find someone in Mass that has one. I am lucky enough to only be a couple of hours away from Peters shop for the tout terrain and they have a couple to demo.

In reality I dont need this bike but I love bikes and would like an awesome machine that makes trips nice and encourages me to take more. 50 miles is probably the most I will ever do in a day but would like the cargo room and am fascinated by the pinion system.

Any ideas or thoughts, maybe you own one of the two of them?

Thanks very much
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Koga Signature Bikes can Be a Fly and ride possibility , arrive at the EU dealer with your panniers

or At least what you will carry & buy the Panniers there Too.. Yes They ship around the Globe but Not to the USA.

I got a 3rd hand Koga Miyata 04 WTR (R as in Rohloff) in 08, the fellow who brought it over I'm told it was A Government Employee,

on holiday (NoVA is full of those Guys)

I got it from some one in N.C. he shipped it shipped to OR.
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I appreciate the reply. Do you know why Koga wont ship here? Its funny there are even Tout Terrain dealers that will ship here for cheaper than Peter's shop but I dont have a problem paying a bit more and having him in my region. I am surprised that there arent koga dealers doing the same. The usa imported seems to not really be anything more than a simple web shipper so I am not sure I would realy have any benefit as opposed to Peter.

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Koga Signature Bikes can Be a Fly and ride possibility , arrive at the EU dealer with your panniers

or At least what you will carry & buy the Panniers there Too.. Yes They ship around the Globe but Not to the USA.

I got a 3rd hand Koga Miyata 04 WTR (R as in Rohloff) in 08, the fellow who brought it over I'm told it was A Government Employee,

on holiday (NoVA is full of those Guys)

I got it from some one in N.C. he shipped it shipped to OR.
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Do you know why Koga wont ship here?
IDK, I suspect because we are Awash with Pac rim Bikes , they had one in Santa Barbara ,, maybe sales numbers were too small.

Fly and tour.. Using Online tools, I see several Dealers , a Short Bus ride from Shiphol the AMS airport.
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The frames used to be Miyata lugged steel from Japan. Then the Yen crashed against the dollar and Miyata pulled out of the US market. At some point Koga in Holland started using Miyata frames - thus the Koga Miyata Brand. Then in '10 Koga started to manufacture in Holland (or got their manufacturing portion going) and dropped the Miyata frames, is all I can get off the internet. I would bet that anything carbon out of Koga is Chinese.

Thus I've no idea why I have a Koga Miyata City Liner touring bike that I purchased as a frame from American Cyclery in San Fransico in 1998. $175 was a steal. Seemed that Koga Miyata the US branch had a warehouse full of frames intended to serve as warranty replacements and was unloading them to REALLY get out of the US market.

When the Koga website asks for a zip code to find a local dealer, it appears that there *might* be an Austin, TX dealer. Oops, no, nothing in the US.

Some thoughts about purchasing from Peter White as opposed to having Tout shipping direct. You get a somewhat local dealer to handle any issues. A question though, it appears Peter buys Tout frames and adds components. If this is the case and the wheels are from Peter, that's a no-brainer right there as he build as good a wheel as anybody in the business. As well, you get a huge assortment of component options.

Personally, I'd buy a Soma in some flavor and add parts. Frames are cheaper then Tout and you get to personalize.

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Just FYI there is a Touring forum here that would be a good place to hang out. Some good folks.

As far as frames I would go with the Tout Terrain easily, slap on some butterfly/trekking bars and be happy. Steel frame, built in rack (which is great because it is part of the frame so no loose bolts and more strength and rigidity) plus a lot of versatility in gearing and ability. It looks nice and has what looks like a good build kit or you can kind of customize it a bit. Plus if one of your standard colors is British Racing Green you have my attention.


If you aren't far from Peter's shop it is even more of no brainer. Peter is a curmudgeon and a grumpy guy but I love him for that. He knows what he likes and what has worked well over the many years he has been doing this and he has a good sense of humor. He also stocks stuff that is hard to get in the U.S. at an LBS or sometimes even in the U.S. online. If you can actually try the bike that gets a lot of extra points in my book because you will be able to get to know the bike more intimately.

Koga makes cool stuff but last I checked their touring bike was aluminum and I am not keen on aluminum for many reasons but the main reason is ride quality. You could easily get a similar build kit but I would stick with the Tout Terrain for the frame and integrated rack.

This all being said don't forget to check out Co-Motion, Ethan and crew are awesome and my Cascadia which I am in the process of building up is lovely. The frame and fork came to me and I couldn't have been more excited the welding was perfect and the paint was no different plus it is made right here in 'merica. They also do complete bikes and you can get Rohlof CDX bikes with all SON hubs and such.
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Hi, I know you posted this a while ago but I just joined here. I have a Tout Terrain Tannami Xplore that I just got last month. It is a 29er with an 18 speed Pinion drive. I only have just over 200 miles on it but am pretty happy with it. I got it through Tout Terrain. They sell some "last year" models on their website at quite a bit less than you would pay from a dealer, which is the only way I could afford this bike. I'm about 5'11" and if I was any shorter the bike would be too big for me. Anything else I'd be glad to talk about.
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