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Old 11-13-15, 12:53 PM
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They also make a ton of versatile bikes...
That would be quite impressive if it wasn't only a couple of dozen bikes to the ton.
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Old 11-13-15, 02:25 PM
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Surly are kind of old school frames. So if I were to compare them to actual old school bikes I would put them on the low end. If the Pacer was a 1980's frame it would be a bike that would be sold at the bottom of the manufactures lineup with the lowest level Shimano components. A beginner level bike, not bad but nothing a serious cyclist would buy. It's just 4130 steel, and only the main frame is butted. Nothing special.
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Old 11-13-15, 02:52 PM
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Their names are a little too cute, but other than that...
But art is now imitating life, a new Krampus movie is due out 12/4, awesome.
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Old 11-13-15, 02:53 PM
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I really wish I could justify owning a Pugsley.
Umm, you mean a Wednesday? Newer and updated version. Got snow or sand?
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Old 11-13-15, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Leebo View Post
Umm, you mean a Wednesday? Newer and updated version. Got snow or sand?
No, I meant a Pugsley, which is more conventional (135 hubs, 1-1/8 headset, 27.2 seat post). And no, snow or sand I don't got.
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Old 11-13-15, 03:14 PM
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Umm, you mean a Wednesday?
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Old 11-13-15, 03:42 PM
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I thought this was about Surly Brewing, they've grown a little bit too big for their britches.
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Old 11-13-15, 03:56 PM
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There was a thread a while back about Surlys being overpriced. I've also heard you need a van dy.ke* beard and body piercings to own one, but have yet to personally confirm any correlation (insufficient data).

I think they make some cool stuff, and hit some niche markets. Suppose you want a 26" fully rigid mtb. Your options are basically 1. Department store BSO, 2. Vintage, 3. Surly Troll.

*profanity filter didn't like that word
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Old 11-13-15, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Yendor72 View Post
I thought this was about Surly Brewing, they've grown a little bit too big for their britches.
Whatever! I still love my Surly bike and Surly beers.

Truly, both Surlys (Surlies?) have moved the entire market to places that no one was going and now EVERYBODY is going... fatbikes for the Surly bike people and huge IPAs for the Surly beer people.
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Old 11-13-15, 04:12 PM
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simple solution, if you like them, ride them... if not, don't.
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Old 11-13-15, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad View Post
Whatever! I still love my Surly bike and Surly beers.

Truly, both Surlys (Surlies?) have moved the entire market to places that no one was going and now EVERYBODY is going... fatbikes for the Surly bike people and huge IPAs for the Surly beer people.
I would be riding a Surly fattie if I could afford 2 of them (wife rides too). As far as the brewery, they now demand that small bars sell X amount of Furious in order to get special releases like Darkness. Not cool.
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Old 11-13-15, 04:44 PM
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My Big Dummy is my favorite bike. I wish they made a mid tail version without the xtracycle components, just additional set back mounts for a standard rack. I'd buy that one too.
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Old 11-13-15, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
That would be quite impressive if it wasn't only a couple of dozen bikes to the ton.
I can't help but laugh.
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
A beginner level bike, not bad but nothing a serious cyclist would buy.
You can't be serious? Please define a serious cyclist. I have a feeling that you have a very narrow view of the world.
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Old 11-13-15, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
Surly are kind of old school frames. So if I were to compare them to actual old school bikes I would put them on the low end. If the Pacer was a 1980's frame it would be a bike that would be sold at the bottom of the manufactures lineup with the lowest level Shimano components. A beginner level bike, not bad but nothing a serious cyclist would buy. It's just 4130 steel, and only the main frame is butted. Nothing special.
I don't know about this. 80's low end bikes were darn miserable.

I kinda like the Cross Check and think that if I ever want to replace my aging commuter bike, I would go for one.
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Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
You can't be serious? Please define a serious cyclist. I have a feeling that you have a very narrow view of the world.
There's no need for a little hissyfit. A serious cyclist. Let's see. Perhaps one who rides a couple of hundred miles a week, is a fast rider, A group maybe, who races. The type who generally wouldn't buy an inexpensive Claris or Sora equipped bike. I don't know, I mean you actually need an explanation? The Surly is a lower end steel frame. It just is. If it were a 1986 Miyata it would be at the low end of their lineup, way below the triple butted splined model. Even the Motobecane Grand Premio that costs $800 with a 105 group is a nicer Reynolds 520 frame. The steel fork is nice but aside from that there's nothing special about it. It's just a very basic steel frame. I didn't say it was "bad". I am glad someone makes a lower priced steel frame/fork. But it is what it is. If you disapprove of my opinion then that's your problem.
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Old 11-13-15, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
Even the Motobecane Grand Premio that costs $800 with a 105 group is a nicer Reynolds 520 frame.
Why do you say that? That Motobecane page says "rear triangle: custom butted ChroMoly steel with forged dropout". Does "custom butted" mean anything significant? (not trying to argue, just trying to learn about frames)
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Old 11-13-15, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost View Post
I don't know about this. 80's low end bikes were darn miserable.
They weren't too bad. You could compare the Surly to the '86 Schwinn World Sport. 4130 butted main tubes. Except it was lugged. Pretty far down in the hierarchy, recreational level. Above that you start getting the True Temper and Columbus tubesets.
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Old 11-13-15, 06:52 PM
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Why do you say that? That Motobecane page says "rear triangle: custom butted ChroMoly steel with forged dropout". Does "custom butted" mean anything significant? (not trying to argue, just trying to learn about frames)
That means the tubes are shaped. If you look at the seatstays they taper down on the ends. The dropouts are also nicer with small lugs instead of tig welding. Not huge deals, just little details that make it a nicer frame in my opinion.
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Old 11-13-15, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad View Post
I've seen some negative comments about Surly throughout the BF posts during the time I've been on BF. As a Surly owner, and a Surly fan, and a homer (Surly is based in my town)... I really like this post, great points for all the haters to understand: In defense of Surly |
I agree with you that Surly is a innovative company that produces popular bikes.

I sent an inquiry to Surly regarding a particular bike and also asking if they were involved with any programs currently being run that utilizes the bicycle to help heal Disabled Veterans suffering from PTSD or _______ . I never received a response to either question. If you spend some time browsing the Surly web site I find them to be arrogant and self absorbed. Full of themselves. If they are so unresponsive to a pre-sales question what would they be like to deal with a warranty issue?

As a result of their failure to respond to either question (What? Don't they have a sales and marketing team?) I elected to purchase another brand and will not be buying a Surly product of any kind.
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Hmmm ... I don't see any fights .... how can I start one?
Let me introduce you to my wife. She's an expert on this subject.
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
There's no need for a little hissyfit. A serious cyclist. Let's see. Perhaps one who rides a couple of hundred miles a week, is a fast rider, A group maybe, who races. The type who generally wouldn't buy an inexpensive Claris or Sora equipped bike. I don't know, I mean you actually need an explanation? The Surly is a lower end steel frame. It just is. If it were a 1986 Miyata it would be at the low end of their lineup, way below the triple butted splined model. Even the Motobecane Grand Premio that costs $800 with a 105 group is a nicer Reynolds 520 frame. The steel fork is nice but aside from that there's nothing special about it. It's just a very basic steel frame. I didn't say it was "bad". I am glad someone makes a lower priced steel frame/fork. But it is what it is. If you disapprove of my opinion then that's your problem.
Judging whether a cyclist is serious by how much money they spend on a bike is absurd. So you are saying that riders that do the Tour Divide ride solo on a Surly Ogre wouldn't be considered a serious cyclist but someone on a titanium Moots would be. Okay then.
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Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
Judging whether a cyclist is serious by how much money they spend on a bike is absurd.
Not to mention they'd have to ride more than 200 miles a week, be "fast" (how fast?) and race in order to make the Lazyass serious cyclist cut.

The cyclist who rides 10 miles to work every day, year round in all weather, doesn't make it... Yet the guy spinning his fancy pants bike on the trainer all winter does!

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Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
Judging whether a cyclist is serious by how much money they spend on a bike is absurd. So you are saying that riders that do the Tour Divide ride solo on a Surly Ogre wouldn't be considered a serious cyclist but someone on a titanium Moots would be. Okay then.
I said "generally speaking". Do we not know what that means? Going by your reaction, I take it you have a Surly
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
Not to mention they'd have to ride more than 200 miles a week, be "fast" (how fast?) and race in order to make the Lazyass serious cyclist cut.
Mileage increase for dramatic effect. Nice.

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The cyclist who rides 10 miles to work every day, year round in all weather, doesn't make it...
Oh, commuters. There must be a lot of homeless people and recently released felons on their Walmart bikes who are serious.


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Yet the guy spinning his fancy pants bike on the trainer all winter does!
I guess if the streets are covered in snow and ice all winter then sure. I bet you put on studded tires and ride in a blizzard. You're hardcore

All you've done in this thread is make off the cuff comments. Feel free to tell me what makes the Surly something other than a lower end frame that would have been a recreational level bike back when everything was steel. Which was my comparison. No, I don't expect you to actually answer. At least I've given details.
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