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In defense of Surly

Old 11-14-15, 07:10 AM
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I've got a Pugsly because before all the other manufacturers jumped in the the fat bike market that Surly created, that was all you could buy. Yes it was expensive for what you get but since they were the only one in the game, they could charge what they wanted and had development costs to cover.

I've got a Krampus because before all the other manufacturers jumped in the the plus size market that Surly created, that was all you could buy. Yes it was expensive for what you get but since they were the only one in the game, they could charge what they wanted and had development costs to cover.
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Old 11-14-15, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
Judging whether a cyclist is serious by how much money they spend on a bike is absurd.
I lost count of the absurd statements from that guy.
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Old 11-14-15, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Spider View Post
I lost count of the absurd statements from that guy.
So the Surly is a high end frame? I've yet to see anyone but me give any actual details. When you can't defend, attack.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post
Surly, you must be joking.
Don't call me Surly
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Old 11-14-15, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
When you can't defend, attack.
Precisely, such as casting the comment below as a "hissy fit." Looked like a perfectly legit and measured response to me. Your subsequent attack leads me to believe you are simply here to pick a fight.

You can't be serious? Please define a serious cyclist. I have a feeling that you have a very narrow view of the world.
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Old 11-14-15, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Spider View Post
Your subsequent attack leads me to believe you are simply here to pick a fight.
That must be why I'm the only person in this thread who has gone into any actual detail about frames and given specifics and comparisons regarding my opinion of the quality of the Surly
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Old 11-14-15, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by fthomas View Post
I agree with you that Surly is a innovative company that produces popular bikes.

I sent an inquiry to Surly regarding a particular bike and also asking if they were involved with any programs currently being run that utilizes the bicycle to help heal Disabled Veterans suffering from PTSD or _______ . I never received a response to either question. If you spend some time browsing the Surly web site I find them to be arrogant and self absorbed. Full of themselves. If they are so unresponsive to a pre-sales question what would they be like to deal with a warranty issue?

As a result of their failure to respond to either question (What? Don't they have a sales and marketing team?) I elected to purchase another brand and will not be buying a Surly product of any kind.
I find it an interesting that you bring up PTSD. The person that shared this blog post with me, Kyle, wears a PTSD kit at all his races. He is a veteran that was deployed with the army in Afghanistan. Kyle is the store manager and top mechanic at my favorite LBS. He rides Salsa (sister company to Surly). So your issues doesn't seem to bother Kyle. We see QBP support tons of local charities, but they are based in my city, so that might be the difference.

https://qbp.com/our_company/why_we_do_it

Scroll down to "Contributing To The World Outside These Walls":

iCan Bike helps kids with disabilities learn to bike on their own. QBP provides bike parts and volunteers for the Minneapolis/St. Paul camps. Since 2007 iCan Bike (a program of iCan Shine) has taught over 20,000 kids to ride a bicycle.
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Old 11-14-15, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
Mileage increase for dramatic effect. Nice.
Wait a minute... since when is "a couple of hundred miles" (your words) not the same as 200? Lazy math?

All you've done in this thread is make off the cuff comments.
Yeah, and it's fun!

Look... I (and others) took you to task for your silly comments regarding what constitutes a "serious" cyclists. This doesn't mean we necessarily agree, disagree, or even need to comment on your assessment of the frames. Most here are well aware of what a Surly frame is and is not. I'd say Surly doesn't need any defending from any of us.

Maybe if you rode a Surly you wouldn't be... quite so surly? <<< Look! Another off the cuff comment!
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Old 11-14-15, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
Wait a minute... since when is "a couple of hundred miles" (your words) not the same as 200? Lazy math?
Oh, I thought you twisted my comment to say "over" 200. Key word added in there for dramatic effect. But my bad.



Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
Look... I (and others) took you to task for your silly comments regarding what constitutes a "serious" cyclists. This doesn't mean we necessarily agree, disagree, or even need to comment on your assessment of the frames. Most here are well aware of what a Surly frame is and is not. I'd say Surly doesn't need any defending from any of us.
My opinion of what a serious cyclist vs a casual one is and what quality of bikes each generally buys won't change, I stand by it. I would agree Surly doesn't actually need "defending", I even said they weren't bad bikes, but uh read the title of the thread
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Old 11-14-15, 09:11 AM
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As I recall, the knock against Surly was that it pretends to be a hip artisan US shop, but it's one of a dozen QBP brands, 100% imported. I don't know if anyone cares anymore. At least they employ warehouse workers, marketers, and some designers I guess, in the US, as I recall QBP has something like 500 employees in Minn.

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Old 11-14-15, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
My opinion of what a serious cyclist vs a casual one is and what quality of bikes each generally buys won't change, I stand by it. I would agree Surly doesn't actually need "defending", I even said they weren't bad bikes, but uh read the title of the thread
Up until recently I made my living selling bicycles and I can tell you this with 100% certainty. The only difference between someone that spends $1000 on a bicycle and someone that spends $4000 is the amount of disposable income they have, period. Maybe keep that in mind the next time you are at your favourite mid-ride coffee shop and someone rides up on a Pacer or Sora equipped road bike. Go over and say hello, you may find someone that is every bit as serious and enthusiastic as you are. My hope would be that back out on the road he or she is actually faster than you are. Might give you a different perspective.

"I said "generally speaking". Do we not know what that means? Going by your reaction, I take it you have a Surly " .

I take it you have a carbon Ultegra equipped road bike from a boutique brand. See what I did there? I'm being judgemental just like you.
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Old 11-14-15, 07:19 PM
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This thread was somewhat enlightening to me. I really did have some thoughts about upgrading my commuter to a Surly Cross Check, but see now that I am probably better off sticking with the old Raleigh to avoid provoking controversy amongst my mates.
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Old 11-14-15, 09:45 PM
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I climbed 30,000 feet of logging trails on my Surly ECR in June and rode the Seattle to Portland on my Surly Big Dummy in July hauling all of my clothing, camping gear, and most of my food with me. I couldn't have done either of those on my skinny tire road bikes.

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Old 11-14-15, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost View Post
I don't know about this. 80's low end bikes were darn miserable.

I kinda like the Cross Check and think that if I ever want to replace my aging commuter bike, I would go for one.
You should go for one

I haven't seen any negative comments, but I'm not here as often as I want to be. That being said, my one and only bike is my Surly Cross Check and I frickin love it. Summer, winter, whatever. I love riding it and I don't worry about hurting it. It may be heavy, but it's the cost you pay

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Old 11-15-15, 09:04 AM
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For me the No.1 selling point of Surly is the rear facing track-ends or horizontal drop outs and a lot of tire clearance. I bought a Surly 1x1 frame many years ago and I am very happy with it. Very easy to set up as a FG or SS and plenty of clearance to run full fenders and bigger tires.
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Old 11-15-15, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
Surly are kind of old school frames. So if I were to compare them to actual old school bikes I would put them on the low end. If the Pacer was a 1980's frame it would be a bike that would be sold at the bottom of the manufactures lineup with the lowest level Shimano components. A beginner level bike, not bad but nothing a serious cyclist would buy. It's just 4130 steel, and only the main frame is butted. Nothing special.
Speaking of high end steel bikes, did you end up buying the Peugeot PKN 10 you were looking at? That's a great bike with a reynolds 531 double butted main frame and hi tensile fork and rear stays. Not as nice as the pacer of course. The PSV 10 you were looking at was pretty cool as well; lighter than the pacer but like the pacer it too has good quality steel tubing for the fork and rear triangle.

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Old 11-15-15, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post
Surly, you must be joking.
Ha!
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Old 11-15-15, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
My opinion of what a serious cyclist vs a casual one is and what quality of bikes each generally buys won't change, I stand by it.
Last weekend I was at a busy upscale bike shop that caters to "serious" cyclists, but I was the only person who actually rode a bike there, yet other than miles, I don't fit your definition of "serious".
Its always easy to identify a bike shop that caters to "serious" cyclists, they won't have a bike rack out front for parking............

One doesn't need to embrace or even consider the sport aspect of cycling to be "serious" about it.
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Old 11-15-15, 11:37 AM
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They sell well and people ride them .. I have seen More Surlys arrive in the Shop out here,

Left for packing and shipping back east after completing a transcontinental tour, this past summer than any Other ..
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Old 11-15-15, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
Up until recently I made my living selling bicycles and I can tell you this with 100% certainty. The only difference between someone that spends $1000 on a bicycle and someone that spends $4000 is the amount of disposable income they have, period.
That's just not true. It also contradicts what all the knowledgable LBS people on here say as well.
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I averaged 1,000,000 in sales annually for seven years. I've put hundreds of people on new bicycles so yeah don't believe a thing I say.
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I reread your post again and see you were talking about buyers and not bikes. My mistake!

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Old 11-15-15, 05:19 PM
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No such thing as a bad bike.....just some 'er better that others.
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My peception of Surly has always been that they are heavy, rather over-priced for having frames that seem to me to be one step above BSOs, on which they hang decent components, and that they are selling an attitude more than a bike.

They seem to be a good option though for those who need a heavy-duty bike. At least they're not delicate, like a lot of bikes are today.
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Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
Up until recently I made my living selling bicycles and I can tell you this with 100% certainty. The only difference between someone that spends $1000 on a bicycle and someone that spends $4000 is the amount of disposable income they have, period.
How could you know this with 100% certainty? Some of us could easily buy many $4000, heck, even $10,000 bikes, but simply choose not to. The fact that I "only" bought a $1000 bicycle has nothing to do with my disposable income, and everything to do with what I'd rather invest it in.
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