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Old 01-18-16, 11:50 AM
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I got a link to this page of very lowest cost bikes from China. The products specs are not very clear but the prices are interesting. What do you think about these bikes? Would you consider buying one?

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Seems like it'd be a total crap shoot since there isnt much info about the bikes themselves being listed. I'd buy used established brands instead.
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Likely these are knock-offs, bikes that look like known brands but are no more than external copies ... they don't actually work like the originals, but from a distance looks similar.

There are companiesd which sell cheap bikes, even copies of better-known bikes, and these could be well-made copies but it is a huge risk. I'd stick with established vendors.

There are some Chinese companies which produce cheap bike frames which are pretty close to the originals--not low-quality knock-offs but reverse-engineered frames--which might be a route to explore.

As myself and another recent poster learned while doing business with Chinese vendors, if it looks too good to be true ....
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The bike shown on the post is a unified rear triangle design. They were popular in the US about 20 years ago but rapidly fell out of style because they had such a bad case of "the bobs".
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Absolutely not. This? KOLUSSI 700 x 23C Fixie Bike Coaster Brake Type-629.34 | GearBest.com

Steel frame single speed with a steel fork and a coaster brake is $629? After a discount? Uh, no. I wouldn't buy a single thing from that site, ever.
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Known as a BSO.. if Cheap is your goal .. KISS.. the last thing I'd want is a badly done full suspension bike.

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Originally Posted by texbiker
I got a link to this page of very lowest cost bikes from China. The products specs are not very clear but the prices are interesting. What do you think about these bikes? Would you consider buying one?
Generally speaking--the bikes will not function very well, won't be built very durable (even just for regular casual riding) but will be HEAVY.
So far all of them I've looked at appear to use stamped-steel chainrings, which is a very-low-cost part.

Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2
Absolutely not. This? KOLUSSI 700 x 23C Fixie Bike Coaster Brake Type-629.34 | GearBest.com

Steel frame single speed with a steel fork and a coaster brake is $629? After a discount? Uh, no. I wouldn't buy a single thing from that site, ever.
I dunno what the deal is with that one,,,,, might be fun to ask. They have 3x8-speed road bikes for $80?
There's even another fixie that comes pre-hipster-fied, with a (cheap) mag front wheel and a deep-section spoked rear wheel for $160.

I like this one myself:
Rockefeller R100 20 inches 21 Speed Road Bike-108.02 | GearBest.com
I started off looking at the girl, but got distracted by the bike.... Apparently two inches of space between the front tire and fork crown is "the new fashion".

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Another thing I see that looks wrong is that all the MTBs and the road bikes appear to use the same drivetrains, that look like MTB drivetrains. So those road bikes aren't gonna have road gearing.

Places like this make me wonder about all the economics of such a business.
They seem to go to a lot of trouble to make the products look nice--and the individual parts don't look bad.
The whole execution is still rather poor overall tho.

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40 lbs is pretty heavy no matter how cute the model is. What is that made of? Galvanized schedule 40 pipe?
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The US$102 price for the Rockefeller would be pretty enticing to the novice overseas buyer but the estimated US$579 shipping charge is a real killer. It's something China sellers on Ebay sometimes do. Advertise a very cheap price for an item and then charge an outrageous shipping fee to make up for it. I buy a lot of stuff directly from China and almost always use the free shipping option when looking at prices.
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Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2
Absolutely not. This? KOLUSSI 700 x 23C Fixie Bike Coaster Brake Type-629.34 | GearBest.com

Steel frame single speed with a steel fork and a coaster brake is $629? After a discount? Uh, no. I wouldn't buy a single thing from that site, ever.
But it comes with a "17T flywheel, fixed with hub". <<< actual copy.
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Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2
Absolutely not. This? KOLUSSI 700 x 23C Fixie Bike Coaster Brake Type-629.34 | GearBest.com

Steel frame single speed with a steel fork and a coaster brake is $629? After a discount? Uh, no. I wouldn't buy a single thing from that site, ever.
It occurs to me after thinking about that for a while,,,,,, that this bike model may just be temporarily out of stock.

I don't know anything about this company but with other Chinese e-store sites I've seen, the sellers will raise the price of an ordinary item to the stratosphere when it is out of stock to keep people from ordering it. When they get more of the item in, it goes back down to its regular price.

If they un-list it (even just temporarily) then they lose all the past customer satisfaction ratings for it.
If they just change the status to "out of stock", then that counts against them somehow in the retailer ratings as well.
They are allowed to change the price of items at any time as often as they want however--as long as they're not trying to jack customers--and it doesn't interfere with any other aspect of the sales ratings for that item or for their site.
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No no no. I would never buy something like that. You'd have better luck at wal mart or a local bike shop. You're just asking to get scammed.
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Originally Posted by Doug5150
It occurs to me after thinking about that for a while,,,,,, that this bike model may just be temporarily out of stock.

I don't know anything about this company but with other Chinese e-store sites I've seen, the sellers will raise the price of an ordinary item to the stratosphere when it is out of stock to keep people from ordering it. When they get more of the item in, it goes back down to its regular price.

If they un-list it (even just temporarily) then they lose all the past customer satisfaction ratings for it.
If they just change the status to "out of stock", then that counts against them somehow in the retailer ratings as well.
They are allowed to change the price of items at any time as often as they want however--as long as they're not trying to jack customers--and it doesn't interfere with any other aspect of the sales ratings for that item or for their site.
You may be on to something here. The sky high price would also help to make the in stock bikes look like a bargain...
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As we say in Brooklyn, Fuggedaboudit
Go on craigslist and find a good deal on a quality bike
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There is a $399 Motebecane on BikesDirect which has the same style of frame but is actually a real bike with real, working components. Probably worth the extra few bucks to buy an actual working bicycle.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
The bike shown on the post is a unified rear triangle design. They were popular in the US about 20 years ago but rapidly fell out of style because they had such a bad case of "the bobs".
How ever with having suspension when seated, and pretty much solid when standing, they should not be totally discounted. The simplicity of the design is attractive. There is only one large long lasting pivot.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
How ever with having suspension when seated, and pretty much solid when standing, they should not be totally discounted. The simplicity of the design is attractive. There is only one large long lasting pivot.
However good the design, I have a huge issue with the quality of this specific application
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Originally Posted by rydabent
How ever with having suspension when seated, and pretty much solid when standing, they should not be totally discounted. The simplicity of the design is attractive. There is only one large long lasting pivot.
My son owned a Gary Fisher bike with a similar design. The trick to riding his at least was staying seated. On steep uphills I had to stay in contact with at least the very nose of the saddle. Otherwise the bike felt like a pogo stick.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
My son owned a Gary Fisher bike with a similar design. The trick to riding his at least was staying seated. On steep uphills I had to stay in contact with at least the very nose of the saddle. Otherwise the bike felt like a pogo stick.
That's not very inspiring, lol. I'm pretty sure the super saver Chinese version is gonna work even worse..
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As we say in Brooklyn, Fuggedaboudit
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The bikes in that link are junk.
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Fuji has road bikes for adults and kids, low end components of course, all aluminium, 23-25 lbs in the mid $400 dollar range, and if you get it from a dealer it will be assembled and warranted.
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I'd only consider Taiwan-made bikes either from Merida or Kinesis sold under various established brand names.

Taiwan is were quality bikes come from today and 90% of the world's bikes come from Taiwan.

You do pay more but you get a bike that's going to last you a lifetime.
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I cannot recommend you buy a bike from China like that, there is enough problems with the bikes that Walmart gets from China without buying directly from China, at least with Walmart you can take it back, with a China direct bike you're on your own, and our laws won't protect you either.

In the long run you'll spend more money on a bike like that then had you gone down to your local bike shop and bought a bike from them; because Chinese direct and Walmart bikes all break down pretty fast especially bikes that might see some off road use which means you'll always be fixing and or replacing parts that might be difficult or impossible to find. And since these types of bikes don't use standardized parts you may not ever find a part that'll work, then all you have left is a recycle project.

One source of halfway decent bikes, better than Walmart but not much in the way of customer service is a place called Bikes Direct. Sure you can't find a $100 bike, you may have to spend another $250, but at least it will use standardized parts so you can fix it if something fails. See: Save Up To 60% Off Road Bikes, Bicycles, Mountain Bikes and Bicycles with Bikesdirect.com, New with full warranties This home page if you scan down has their sale bikes listed.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
How ever with having suspension when seated, and pretty much solid when standing, they should not be totally discounted. The simplicity of the design is attractive. There is only one large long lasting pivot.
Yea, and you can't get replacement parts for it, either...

Mountain bikes have a somewhat-limited-lifetime built in if you use them at all, since it's very common for some parts to become basically unobtainable.
Suspension pivot parts and shock absorbers are not standardized and tend not to be available as replacement parts--for all MTBs, but especially for cheap MTBs.

It is no big deal for an unsuspended frame to last 25+ years of casual use--but go and try to find replacement shocks or suspension frame parts for ANY 15-year-old MTB frame. They aren't out there.
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