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Old 03-13-16, 12:00 PM
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Bike security

We are picking up our new bikes tomorrow. What are some good option for locks? How do you carry them on the bike?
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Where do you plan to ride?

Go there and see what other riders do. I own several locks but I seldom lock my bike. Neither do the folks that I ride with. If I was parking my bike on a college campus or commuting to work and leaving it parked all day somewhere, that would be different.
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Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit .... you need 2 of these (one to lock the frame and back wheel to a bike rack, and one to lock the front wheel and forks to the bike rack .... I have more than 1 bike, and have them in my pannier bags, or when I use my road bike, I have them in my backpack
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Types : U locks were mentioned you can figure out how to carry it if you need to
A Shop seller can see your bike and offer suggestions , In your bags or your pants or a basket . etc.

Frame Mounted Ring Locks _ close around the rear wheel, but stay on the bike 24/7.

The Bordo from Abus has several links 6 or 8 that folds into a Pouch for transport .

I also Have a security chain and lock combo ..

I keep it hanging from My handlebars or can put it around the seatpost, or put it in a bag or basket.

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Security has everything to do with where you're riding and what your routine is. If you're commuting to a place routinely (for example to school or work), find a sturdy place to lock up to, and then get the hardest, heaviest chain and lock you can afford. Then leave the lock and chain where you're parking the bike so you don't have to lug it around with you.

For extra security on wheels and saddle, get some Pitlock locking skewers and locking seat post clamp. You then simply have to loop the chain around your frame instead of having to thread it between spokes on both wheels.

The Pitlock stuff will also allow you to opt for a single U-lock which you can more easily carry with you on other rides, should you decide to stop somewhere and want to lock your bike up at a whim.

edit: don't be hesitant to spend $75-$200 or more on security for your bike(s) if you are concerned about leaving them unattended. A couple hundred bucks once, beats the heck out of the feeling of violation you get from having a bike stolen, not to mention cost of replacement.

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Old 03-13-16, 01:09 PM
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Are you planning on leaving your bikes outside of an inner city apartment? Or just looking to lock it while in a bar? Very different sets of needs. I figure that as long as my bike has some lock while at a bar the thief so that are simply looking for a quick grab will take some other bike that has no lock. At home, mine are stored inside and I feel that is the only safe over night option.
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All we want to do is lock the bikes to a rack and run into a store or restaurant. We will not be leaving outside for long periods of time.
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Old 03-13-16, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikeflys View Post
All we want to do is lock the bikes to a rack and run into a store or restaurant. We will not be leaving outside for long periods of time.
a d-lock (on Guard) has gold rating and best value for buck

comes with a bracket to attach to your bike

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Yeah, for just quick stops in a restaurant or convenience store, I'd go with a U/D lock big enough to get around your rear wheel and frame, and then just put a hose clamp* around your front wheel quick release, or optionally your saddle if it's a high dollar one. Keeps the opportunists at bay.


*A hose clamp which requires an actual tool to loosen, not a wing nut style one!
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Old 03-13-16, 01:47 PM
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Some good info.


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I'm kinda partial to folding locks. They offer the flexibility of a cable lock with the toughness of a U-lock. Plus, they fit into a small frame mountable holster for convenient carry. I bought this one -

Trelock FS 300 Trigo Folding Lock white | Bike Locks Shop

For the type of locking situations you describe, it's the lock I'd use.


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Old 03-13-16, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikeflys View Post
We are picking up our new bikes tomorrow. What are some good option for locks? How do you carry them on the bike?
Nothing beats a heavy security chain with a massive guarded padlock. NOTHING.But still a second line of defense is a must, heavy U lock and cable combo.

Rule number 1 be consistent, Lock it up as if you plan to be gone for a week and do it the same way every time. Build a habit and it becomes a fast part of your routine and mistakes don't happen like forgetting to secure a wheel or seat.
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Old 03-13-16, 02:36 PM
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All we want to do is lock the bikes to a rack and run into a store or restaurant. We will not be leaving outside for long periods of time.
I would go with something lightweight. The Kryptonite New York Mini Fahgettaboudit weighs 4.5 Pounds. You'll need four of them if you follow the advice of one of the posters above. Thats 18 pounds of lock. I bought the OnGuard lock that was top of the line, in other words, heavy. I also bought a OnGuard cable that was heavy. What I found out was that I never wanted to carry them with me becaue of the weight.

What I use now is the OnGuard Bulldog Long Shackle U-Lock (8009) and the OnGuard Akita 7' non-coiled cable (8043) (you can still coil it). These two items are 3.6 pounds on my postal scales. The cable will require a lock, I use an aluminum Master lock which is lightweight (2.3 Oz.). Sure these locks are not nearly as tough but I figure if a dirtbag has the tools to cut a U-lock or cable, he can cut any of them.

Two of the Bulldog Long Shackle U-Locks and one 7 foot cable (use it on both bikes) are 6.3 Pounds. You can get by without a padlock; just loop the cable ends on your U-Lock. They say to buy the shortest U-Lock you possibly can but if you don't know what you have to lock up to ahead you'll be in trouble with a shorter U-Lock. I tour and need the long shackle to lock around oddball objects such as picnic tables, etc. I don't think it matters what brand of locks you purchase; the OnGuards were available at the LBS.

If I'm with someone else, we take turns going into stores & restrooms. If I am by myself, I will roll my bike into the restroom with me. I stopped at a Walgreens Pharmacy a few days ago and rolled it right into the store, quickly made my purchase and rolled it right back out. Cashier told me to have a nice ride!

Another thing to think about is how you will carry the locks.
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Old 03-13-16, 03:19 PM
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A 12lb. chain padlock combo will fit into any back pack add a 5 lb. U lock including cable and your at a me-gar 17lbs. less than the books in any 3rd graders back pack.
It's all relative, but given the fact that a bike theft can happen in under 5 min. it really doesn't matter if you are going in to pick up food or sit down to dinner in a restaurant. "Lock it up, like you mean it," if you want to keep it.

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Old 03-13-16, 04:02 PM
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Wow, if you're riding in a neighborhood that's so bad you're scared somebody might steal your bike then, maybe you should keep pedaling until you reach a better neighborhood to have dinner. Park the bike out in the open in an easily viewed spot. People avoid commiting crimes out in plain view. When me & my lady go out for breakfast we usually lock bikes together with a cheap cable lock I got at the hardware store like this:
8126D - Master Lock Keyed Cable Lock - PadlockOutlet.com
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Wow, if you're riding in a neighborhood that's so bad you're scared somebody might steal your bike then, maybe you should keep pedaling until you reach a better neighborhood to have dinner. Park the bike out in the open in an easily viewed spot. People avoid commiting crimes out in plain view. When me & my lady go out for breakfast we usually lock bikes together with a cheap cable lock I got at the hardware store like this:
8126D - Master Lock Keyed Cable Lock - PadlockOutlet.com
How much are your bikes worth and where do you go for breakfast?
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Park the bike out in the open in an easily viewed spot. People avoid commiting crimes out in plain view.
Your trust in total strangers is very admirable but misplaced. Maybe if your breakfast nook is in a one-horse town where literally everybody knows everybody else by name & face, that's a valid tactic. For everywhere else, lock your bike up whenever it is unattended.
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People avoid commiting crimes out in plain view.
You've never seen the videos of thieves using power tools to cut locks on busy city streets while people walk past and mostly look away and keep moving?
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How much are your bikes worth and where do you go for breakfast?
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How much are your bikes worth and where do you go for breakfast?
Most Sundays, when the weather is nice, I like to eat breakfast at the Bike Stop Cafe in St Charles Missouri. I don't know how to value my bikes. I've got around $1,000 in the one that I ride to breakfast. Come on down. There's lots of bikes and friendly riders and no locks at all. That's how it is most places that I ride.
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Seems St Charles is a lot like where I grew up HERE 40 years ago when you could go away and leave your house unlocked, or leave the keys to your car on the front seat.
The population of Roseville then 18,000 and that's before east Roseville broke off and became Granite Bay!
Now just Roseville 138,000 and that is expected to double again with in 10 years. We have been doubling our population every 5 to 10 years since 1985.
Add Granite bay and we are most likely over 160,000, I am 50 now. I have seen to much change here and not for the good, I hope St. Peters Missouri stays like it is but something tells me it's wishful and foolish to hope. Thank you for the nice invite maybe after my son go's off to collage my wife and I will see Missouri in my retirement, I have been to St. Louis in 1985. I saw a huge amount of poverty up river from the Arch.
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Seems St Charles is a lot like where I grew up HERE 40 years ago when you could go away and leave your house unlocked, or leave the keys to your car on the front seat.
The population of Roseville then 18,000 and that's before east Roseville broke off and became Granite Bay!
Now just Roseville 138,000 and that is expected to double again with in 10 years. We have been doubling our population every 5 to 10 years since 1985.
Add Granite bay and we are most likely over 160,000, I am 50 now. I have seen to much change here and not for the good, I hope St. Peters Missouri stays like it is but something tells me it's wishful and foolish to hope.
I see you are at 55,000 people.
My God!!!
You guys haven't had a murder since 2004!
It's 89.2% white and mostly Republican!
I'm packing my bags!
I live in a place where you go out shopping and so many people are from some where else speaking every kind of language but less and less English.
I some time feel like a stranger and an outsider in my own home town.
The culture I grew up in is just a memory and no one here even knows All 6 lanes of Douglass Blvd. was a narrow road with sheep on one side and cattle on the other for miles. Or that Lead Hill was where we had target practice now a shopping center and people pronounce it leed hill!
The place I used to fish and ride my dirt bike is now million+ dollar estates, the Indian burial grounds have been developed into tracks of new homes.



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At least one stout ulock is the minimum, please do not be trusting or naive. most all cables, chains and link locks can be defeated with a hand tool. 5 minutes was mentioned, most bikes are taken in under 90 seconds. I work at a hospital with good facilities and security, etc. we had 11 bikes that we know of taken last year between March and October and there were certainly more. Locks are heavy, the feeling of your bike being stolen is heavier believe me.
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i did a fair amount of research when buying my U lock. a few things i've read consistently and learned through experience:
  • cable locks offer no protection to bike theives. they offer protection from the type of people who take unlocked bikes, but not someone prepared to steal a bike.
  • never leave your bike outside or visible to the public, unless it looks pretty ****ty (see: have a beater bike)
  • U locks are simply the best protection, but not all U locks. a double bolted mini U lock with at least a 14mm shackle is ideal (normal and long shackle U locks are more vulnerable to pry attacks)
  • get some security quick release replacements. they're actually really cheap, i like these rockbros ones ROCKBROS Anti Theft Skewers MTB Road Bike Wheels Locking Security Silver | eBay
  • have a beater bike you can use if you're going to a party in an uncertain neighborhood, etc. seriously. i put together 2 of my bikes for under 100$ and they ride great. resist putting money into them.
  • if a serious thief wants to steal your bike, and they know where to find it (in a place outside where it's regularly locked up) they will probably find a way. though

the U lock i ultimately went with was this one
Amazon.com : Abus Mini Round Shackle U Lock, 5.5"/15mm, Black/Red : Bike U Locks : Sports & Outdoors



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Wow, if you're riding in a neighborhood that's so bad you're scared somebody might steal your bike then, maybe you should keep pedaling until you reach a better neighborhood to have dinner.
so i'm assuming this recommendation comes with an offer to pay rent for me to live in a better neighborhood, and buy me breakfast for life?
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