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Old 03-21-16, 10:36 AM
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Has anyone been a tour leader for Adventure Cycling?

I'm looking to identify the type of life/work experience they want in a tour leader.

I'm retired, a 30 year cyclist, been a volunteer ski patroller & wilderness ranger, 1st responder qualified, etc.
Most of my working career was B2B sales/marketing working with people/groups building positive alliances.

Is this the stuff they want?
Or is being in my 60s sort of an auto disqualifier? (Not accusing them of age discrimination)

TIA

edit: Life is too short to sit on the couch.

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Old 03-21-16, 12:42 PM
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i think you are exactly the sort of person they want: salesman.

Good luck!
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School Teacher,entertainment director and Sheep herder is also a good skill set .

(BTW Perhaps you should contact ACA?)
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
School Teacher,entertainment director and Sheep herder is also a good skill set .

(BTW Perhaps you should contact ACA?)
Not the best cat herder; sheep = I've never tried; dogs have followed me from time to time.
I looked at the employment page and all it says is: "Become a Tour Leader .... always searching for .... knowledgable and experienced tour leaders".

So what I'm hoping to learn is whether that is a call for former/current tour leaders to join them; or, whether there is a broader interpretation of 'experienced'.

My unsupported touring experience is limited and 20+ years ago. I haven't been a certified mechanic, altho good at basic maintenance/repair. No shop experience.

Not afraid to be rejected (salesman in me) but also believe that 'you never get a 2nd chance at a first impression'.
I wonder how many of the clientele are in their 50s or older?

edit: guess I gotta go 'pitch' myself.

re-edit: I was always a salesman of technology subsystems to OEM manufacurers, so 'no smoke and mirrors'. I think I need to ride from Seattle to 150 East Pine Street Missoula, Montana (Corp hdqtrs) to deliver the application&resume for starters. Not a bad idea really.

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Old 03-28-16, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
re-edit: I was always a salesman of technology subsystems to OEM manufacurers, so 'no smoke and mirrors'. I think I need to ride from Seattle to 150 East Pine Street Missoula, Montana (Corp hdqtrs) to deliver the application&resume for starters. Not a bad idea really.
That's not a bad idea, and is probably just the sort of "experience" for which they're looking. I wouldn't let your age discourage you from pursuing this, if you really want to. I can't imagine they have hordes of 20-somethings lined up to apply for these opportunities. They're much more likely to be looking for people closer to our age, with disposable income and time on our hands.
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Did you actually look through their site and see what a 'tour leader' is? You'll be an 'independent contractor', not an employee (you need to supply gear?/insurance?/other out of pocket stuff?). You have to sign up for, and pay for, 'leadership' classes they put on ($600 per class), and you are not guarantted to become one of their 'independent contractor' leaders even after taking the classes. I'd wonder how much control they demand over their independent contractor 'leaders' since they're not really employees, so you'll have very little say in how things are run (like an employee would have). Without further research this almost looks like they are unloading all the liability and costs onto the poor souls who lead their trips, while they get all the publicity.
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Old 03-28-16, 08:23 AM
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Thanks. Yes I saw the part about not being an employee - that's just fine for me, probably better. It's more about being active, involved and outdoors. I'm going to give it a go. 10 days by bike to Missoula in May.
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Bike riding ..... all walks of life... a lot of different kinds of people ride bikes.
Same goes for you Wildwood. I would think they want "older" people as tour leaders as they may be more level-headed it stuff happens. Keep your CPR card up to date. Good luck to you!
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Old 03-28-16, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by skidder View Post
Without further research this almost looks like they are unloading all the liability and costs onto the poor souls who lead their trips, while they get all the publicity.
My first tour was ACA's group Northern Tier tour. Yes. You have to supply your own gear to the extent tour participants are required to do the same. (E.g., Bike, tent, eating utensils) However, ACA provides the group cooking equipment for use during the tour. And at least back when I did my tour, the three stoves used were raffled off at the end of the trip. And the leader was given a daily "stipend" as pay. IIRC, that was in addition to the group funds that took care of camping and food costs. As was the case for everyone, adult beverages were out of our own pockets.

@BobG, a member of this forum, was one of my tour leaders. Our first leader didn't work out. The original replacement was a fantastic guy who was a retired CIA analyst. He had prior commitments and couldn't stay the entire time. Bob joined for the end and was great.

During my travels I met two other unsupported tour leaders. Nice people. One of them invited me to join his group for dinner in Glacier National Park. I also participated in ACA's Cycle Vermont supported tour, which had three leaders and one mechanic. A few years ago I crossed paths with their supported Cycle Montana and met the tour leaders. They seemed like very nice people. Finally, I have a friend here in Philly who has led tours for them. I wouldn't exactly call any of them "poor souls."

Maybe Bob will be kind enough to shed some more light on leading ACA tours.
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Old 03-28-16, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Thanks. Yes I saw the part about not being an employee - that's just fine for me, probably better. It's more about being active, involved and outdoors. I'm going to give it a go. 10 days by bike to Missoula in May.
See my post #9 in this thread.

And you are riding to Missoula in May? From where? FYI...The weather in the Missoula can be very iffy in May. I've started two loop trips from there in md and late June and had nighttime temps in the mid-40s.
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[QUOTE=Wildwood;18625595I wonder how many of the clientele are in their 50s or older?[/QUOTE]

If you are referring to tour participants, if my group was representative, it's mostly college/grad school age and older people. In my group of 12 (not including the leader), there were four people in their early 20s who were either in school or who had just finished (we called them the "kids"), one woman (a teacher) in her 50s, five retired people 60 or older (oldest was 76 and turned 77 during the tour), and two people (myself included), who were in their mid-30s. We two had both been laid off from our jobs (me at my own request) and were taking time off from the working world to enjoy life.

As noted, if you want to be an ACA leader you must take their leadership training course.
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Old 03-28-16, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
See my post #9 in this thread.

And you are riding to Missoula in May? From where? FYI...The weather in the Missoula can be very iffy in May. I've started two loop trips from there in md and late June and had nighttime temps in the mid-40s.
I'll be riding from east of Seattle, starting near North Bend.
Watching the weather will determine my start day, if La Nina follows El Nino and the weather stays cool then a later date is fine. As I have said many times, retirement has advantages. 5 days to Spokane and 4 or 5 days from Spokane to Missoula.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
I'll be riding from east of Seattle, starting near North Bend.
Watching the weather will determine my start day, if La Nina follows El Nino and the weather stays cool then a later date is fine. As I have said many times, retirement has advantages. 5 days to Spokane and 4 or 5 days from Spokane to Missoula.
Sounds like fun. I will be flying out to MSO again on June 14th. to start another loop tour as far south/east as Ennis before I head north up to the Three Forks area and then back west through Butte and then ultimately back to MSO.

The MSO KOA is the only place to camp in town. It's right on the west edge of town. If you want to ship your bike home you can literally see the back of the REI from the campground office. I ship my bike there for assembly and then have them box and ship it home at the end of the tour.

Next year I am thinking of heading NW from MSO through St. Regis, Thompson Falls, the Trail of the CdL and then around through Sandpoint and Clark Fork then maybe on the Ovando, MT.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
@BobG, a member of this forum, was one of my tour leaders...Maybe Bob will be kind enough to shed some more light on leading ACA tours.
Wildwood,

Your resume looks like you'd be just what ACA is looking for in a leader. Age 60 would be no problem. Seems like the age of participants has crept up over the years since indyfabz' Northern Tier tour. You'd be right there with the average age of your group. I led the TransAmerica tour four times. The first three were a mix of 18-70 somethings. The most recent trip in 2009 was an older group of 45-70 somethings with one young 20 something couple thrown in to the mix. I was 61 then. Now at 67 I might be a liability!

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You'll be an 'independent contractor'... Without further research this almost looks like they are unloading all the liability and costs onto the poor souls who lead their trips, while they get all the publicity.
There is a bit of truth to that statement. The ACA contract states that they will not hold the leader liable but there is no such contract between leader and participant. Yet leaders are expected to be good enough mechanics to get their participants to a bike shop. You are kind of at the mercy of the rider to not hold you resposible for trying to be helpful should something go wrong.

I once hurriedly helped a rider (a lawyer) change a flat late in the afternoon. In my rush to get back on the road I put the wheel back on his recumbent slightly crooked and it rubbed. Fortunately no accident resulted. He had to hitch a ride to camp. Another rider got mad at me when I did not want to help him remove his Rohloff wheel which I was unfamiliar with to fix his flat. $50/day does not leave much left for personal liability insurance. That said, I've never heard of a leader being sued by a group member.

The leadership course is a fun gathering of like minded cyclists. Even if you are not chosen to lead a trip it's worth the time and expense.

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Thanks all - most helpful, just what I needed.
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