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Old 04-06-16, 09:31 AM
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Saw something I've never seen before on a bike.

Today, we are very used to seeing gear indicators on shifters. Whether it's just a little painted on arrow or a piece of plastic that moves back and forth, it's always on the shifter mechanism itself.

However, I've now seen 2 bikes who proved this incorrect. (Came into the shop a day apart, oddly enough.)

These two bikes had REMOTE gear indicators that required a separate, small cable to pull the arm to the correct number. I don't have pictures of the exact bike, but here is one of the gear indicators on ebay. They were on relatively cheap bikes, I just found it hilarious how... over complicated they were. The REALLY surprising thing was that on both bikes the indicators worked perfectly. They even had separate small barrel adjusters to make sure the arrow pointed to the numbers correctly.

Has anyone else seen these type of gear indicators?

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Old 04-06-16, 09:58 AM
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That's fascinating. How'd that separate cable connect? What did it connect to? Are we talking drop bar shifters or flat bar? Curious how that thing is actually installed.
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Old 04-06-16, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
That's fascinating. How'd that separate cable connect? What did it connect to? Are we talking drop bar shifters or flat bar? Curious how that thing is actually installed.
I'll have to take pictures of it on the bike tomorrow. It basically had another TINY cable and housing that came out of the shifter. I didn't take it apart to see what it was connected to, but the second one will need to be repaired (the cable has fallen out of the shifter) so I'll try to take pictures of that. Each shifter obviously needs it's own little cable, so two small cables go into the "gear indicator."
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Old 04-06-16, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
That's fascinating. How'd that separate cable connect? What did it connect to? Are we talking drop bar shifters or flat bar? Curious how that thing is actually installed.
There is a separate port on the shifter. The connecting wire and housing is tiny, and a bit fiddly. The wire end inside the indicator housing detaches quite often rendering it non-functional, at least in my experience, although it is easy enough to reattach the wire. However, the poor man's Flight Deck is plasticky and the mount is rather insecure and fragile.
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Old 04-06-16, 10:35 AM
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There is a separate port on the shifter. The connecting wire and housing is tiny, and a bit fiddly.
So not just any shifter can work? Are there specific models that Shimano makes that have these little ports on them?
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Old 04-06-16, 10:40 AM
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Never seen one. And why would you want one. Who cares what gear youre in. Whsts important is your cadence. Ive nevrr seen a gear indicator on a race bicycle or motorcycle for that matter.
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Old 04-06-16, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
So not just any shifter can work? Are there specific models that Shimano makes that have these little ports on them?
Nope, not just any shifter. I'm fairly certain the compatible shifters have the Ci Deck moniker printed on them. They were available in both trigger and twist styles.
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Originally Posted by San Rensho View Post
Ive nevrr seen a gear indicator on a race bicycle
Then you've never seen the Dura Ace inline gear indicator
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Old 04-06-16, 10:57 AM
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The inline gear indicator. That's two new things now that I've learned just over my lunch break.
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Old 04-06-16, 10:59 AM
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I've seen them in the "Miscellaneous" parts been at my local co-op but I've never seen on on a bike. These guys sell them and have a picture of the cable set up in the mechanism. These guys also sell it and have pictures of how it attaches to the shifter.

Apparently, the cables are a ball type cable...another cable, just what everyone needs...that attaches to two plastic levers in the mechanism and those attach to the shifter. I've seen that kind of cable connection on low end Shimano shifters but not on anything above about a Alivio level.

Shimano also has a newer electronic version with a speedometer attached. It's a big ugly thing.
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Originally Posted by techsensei View Post
Then you've never seen the Dura Ace inline gear indicator

OOO loving the inline gear indicator. However I don't have any bikes with external cable routing that I'd bother putting it on.

The one I posted above was on a quite a cheap bike. I'm guessing they were marketed to lower end bikes and people who don't know how to ride correctly. Probably a small attempt to prevent cross chaining, (see the color correspondence above. I'm guessing the left lever is for the front derailleur. )
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Originally Posted by corrado33 View Post
OOO loving the inline gear indicator. However I don't have any bikes with external cable routing that I'd bother putting it on.
I find it quite useful on my tandem.
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Old 04-06-16, 11:23 AM
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you'd think if you knew how to install one of these you wouldn't need it
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It looks like Shimano had a larger device too:



Combining cyclo computer, gear indicator, and maybe a magnetic compass.

Ci-Deck
http://si.shimano.com/php/download.p...001-03-ENG.pdf

Of course, for the road bikes, there was the "Flight Deck".
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Those external gear indicators came on pretty cheap bike shop bikes. I know because I was working in a bike shop when they were sold, and they were a nuisance and fragile.
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Of course, many of the low end brifters also have an analog gear indicator.
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I had a customer a couple of years ago with a pair of bikes with those external gear shift indicators in non-working condition. Actually, both bikes were non-working but I promised to bring them back to life. I even got the shift indicators to work, too, with a bit of spray lithium grease and some fiddling.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
you'd think if you knew how to install one of these you wouldn't need it
I doubt many people actually bought the Ci Deck as an accessory; they were included and preinstalled with the bike by the manufacturer. I remember seeing the Dura Ace indicators included with some bikes, but they had to be installed separately. I'd guess a lot didn't get installed because mechanics decided the bike didn't need it, or didn't want to put it on.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
It looks like Shimano had a larger device too:



Combining cyclo computer, gear indicator, and maybe a magnetic compass.
Hm, I saw something like that the other day on a ride. Didn't get a good look at it but I just assumed "e-bike." Perhaps I was wrong.

Oh and for the record, the 2nd bike was brought into the shop has two completely separate "gauges" mounted separately on the handlebars; unlike the things posted above.
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The electronic Di2 shifters have an optional display:



It was mentioned on a tandem thread, and it's mostly used on mountain bikes. I can see it would be useful for both of those bike styles.

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Slightly related to this thread:

There's a kickstarter for this (very expensive) analog dial speed display. It's GPS. No wires needed.

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Originally Posted by San Rensho View Post
Never seen one. And why would you want one. Who cares what gear youre in. Whsts important is your cadence. Ive nevrr seen a gear indicator on a race bicycle or motorcycle for that matter.
I agree about not wanting one. I can always look down if I am curious.
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Interesting...
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I'd rather have one of these

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I'd rather have one of these

Backstory please? It looks awesome.
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I'd rather have one of these

Is that a "tony the tiger" bike horn? You need 3 zillion cereal box tops to get!
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