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Old 04-14-16, 12:12 PM
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Seat Bag Questions: waterproof, size

Howdy,

I have an old seat bag that is falling apart. It's big enough to carry one T handled fixed torque wrench, a bottle of tire sealant, and my wallet and phone.

First question is why I don't see more seat bags on road bikes? Is this a collective aesthetic: "We are the road bikers, we don't need no stinkin bags"? Is this influenced by sex? That is, guys don't add the packs but it's ok for gals to do so? Or am I mistaken? I really don't give a rat's potoot about what others think, but I am interested in knowing what folks do with keys and stuff if they don't have a seat bag. I'm a guy, and I'm gonna put a seat bag on my bike. Or a frame triangle bag if that's better.

Here's my ideal seat bag: two compartments, one for tools and one for phone/wallet. The two compartments to give easy access to the phone/wallet without dropping tools on the ground. Waterproof on the bottom so that when it rains the spray doesn't destroy phones and rust tools. Good quality, compatible with high-end road bike (Trek Domane Series Six). Ideally black. Could be red. Again, it doesn't HAVE to be a seat bag, but a frame bag would have to be pretty thin.

I ride a reasonably big (58cm) bike, so I should have room to install the bag.

If there is a brand/model that satisfies the desired features, I'd be obliged to hear about it. Thanks!
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Don't worry about what other cyclists think or do. I find seatbags indispensable and have a number of them in various sizes. However, for general use -- that is, carrying a few tools, wallet and small snacks -- I like the Topeak bags. They are waterproof on the bottom and fit well on just about any bike. Come in a range of sizes and shapes. You also can buy them with strap mounts or a quick release version. Their wedge packs are particularly nice for general cycling:

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Since I bike commute, I use larger seatbags for that purpose and have several Carradice bags in various sizes, depending on my needs.
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I have the Topeak Aero Wedge Pack, Medium, on both road bikes.

I carry phone in a plastic bag in jersey pocket. ID, money, keys (2) in another plastic bag in middle jersey pocket.

Works for me.
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Originally Posted by WizardOfBoz View Post
First question is why I don't see more seat bags on road bikes?
Jersey pockets are enough for the short rides most people do and traditional seat bags are too small for long distance rides.

I always carry wallet, keys, and phone in mine. In my larger jerseys (XS LG standard fit) there's room left for a spare tube, wind shell, leg warmers, and four Clif bars.

OTOH, on long rides I also want more food, a spare tire, helmet light, gloves, thermal jersey, and thermal tights which need storage a small saddle bag can't provide so I use a rack-mounted trunk bag.

Here's my ideal seat bag: two compartments, one for tools and one for phone/wallet.
I upgraded to an Arkel, which combines a water-proof inner bag that mates to a holder mounted like a traditional saddle bag. It's big enough to carry two tubes for the rainy season (where flats are frequent and less time getting wet fixing one is better) plus two tire levers, Park dog-bone, chain tool, spoke wrench, long 6mm hex key, patch kit, two master links, left over chain, nitrile gloves, TiGr lock mechanism.

I also have a full-sized frame pump mounted next to my top tube that'll have me back on the road in 100 strokes without my T-rex cycling arms falling off.


The two compartments to give easy access to the phone/wallet without dropping tools on the ground.
It only has one compartment, but you access it vertically so nothing falls out.

Waterproof on the bottom so that when it rains the spray doesn't destroy phones and rust tools. Good quality, compatible with high-end road bike (Trek Domane Series Six). Ideally black. Could be red.
It's water proof. Arkel makes tough bags which could probably survive a grizzly bear attack. They're made in Canada not a sweat shop in an emerging country.

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A lot of serious, long distance roadies up here in summer. We all have saddle bags. Almost all of us, anyway. (I'm not keeping all that stuff in my shirt; spoke wrench, chain tool, Missing Links, 3 spoons, patch kit, spare tube, medical insurance card, reversible screwdriver, house key, 5 and 6mm allen wrenches and energy bars). In my shirt is just my mini pump. In my fanny pack is a first aid kit and folding tire. I don't use wireless devices, so I don't need to worry about waterproof, but I have to rely on myself and what I bring.

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Yeah. It's either something about where you live or you're not looking hard enough. I see plenty of men and women with seat post bags in my neck of the woods.

I just have to ask:

Tire sealant?
Torque wrench?
An entire wallet?
No spare tubes?
No tire irons?

In my road bike bag you will find 1 or 2 tubes, tire irons, a CO2 dispenser and 2 CO2 cartridges. (I ride tubeless, but no all punctures will self-seal sufficiently.) In a small Zip-Loc that goes in a jersey pocket I put a phone, credit/ATM card, cash, expired driver's license and medical insurance card and house key.

I have never once needed business cards, my frequent sushi purchaser card or by company-issued Amex so the rest of the wallet stays at home. Even when I do self-contained tours I empty my wallet of unnecessary things like business cards.
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...I'm not keeping all that stuff in my shirt...
Yeah, for me even a wallet and a smart phone in my shirt or jacket would bug me. Different strokes, though.

I don't even do a lot of riding: every other days I ride 15-20 miles, so about 8 or 10 miles out, and 8 or ten miles back. Might do 30 on a weekend. I just like to be able to quickly shove my phone and wallet (in case some 19 year old moron is compensating for anatomical inadequacies with a F-350 SuperDuty with dualies in back passes me and underestimates his girth - they'll be able to know who I am and call my widow...).

The Arkel looks interesting (thanks, Drew). I'm also looking at the topeak Wedge Drybag - thanks Doc and Tarwheel. And my LBS guys are good, so I'll check out the Bontrager ones.
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Originally Posted by WizardOfBoz View Post
Yeah, for me even a wallet and a smart phone in my shirt or jacket would bug me. Different strokes, though.

I don't even do a lot of riding: every other days I ride 15-20 miles, so about 8 or 10 miles out, and 8 or ten miles back. Might do 30 on a weekend. I just like to be able to quickly shove my phone and wallet (in case some 19 year old moron is compensating for anatomical inadequacies with a F-350 SuperDuty with dualies in back passes me and underestimates his girth - they'll be able to know who I am and call my widow...).

The Arkel looks interesting (thanks, Drew). I'm also looking at the topeak Wedge Drybag - thanks Doc and Tarwheel. And my LBS guys are good, so I'll check out the Bontrager ones.

Indy: Nice catch on the torque wrench. That one blew right by me.

Wiz: Who wants to walk home 20 miles on cleats? Bring half the store.
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Ortlieb ? hard to beat it for waterproof ,, https://www.ortlieb.com/en/produkt-d...ame=Saddlebags
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Originally Posted by WizardOfBoz View Post
I really don't give a rat's potoot about what others think,
And yet you asked.

FWIW, the "cool" guys carry that stuff in their jersey pockets.
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I recently moved to my 4th (5th?) saddlebag. After finding that my Lezyne M-Caddy was starting to burst at the seams, it occurred to me that I might need more than 0.5L of capacity. Decided to go all-in as summer is coming, and went with an Axiom Fondo H2O, and it's absolutely fantastic. Holds everything I need for the bike with room left over (1L capacity + whatever you want to jam in the mesh bit on the back,) and the added ability to carry a 3rd water bottle has already paid off on two rides. Amazingly, when empty the Fondo is lighter than the M-Caddy, despite being over twice the size. It doesn't specifically say that it's weather-resistant in any way, but its been out in the rain twice and everything inside was still dry.
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sometimes i use a handlebar bag attached to a threadless STEM that is then attached to my seatpost. The handlebar bag has pockets inside it that i can put my wallet and phone in and there's room in the main compartment for tools, spare tube, windbreaker and snacks.

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Edit: Another neat thing about this is the bag is quickly detachable and I can carry it via a shoulder strap stowed inside the bag when the bag is on the bike. No worries about the bag or stuff in it getting stolen.

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If I was to get a road bike (maybe next year), I'll be getting one that I can put a Topeak rack on the back to carry my Topeak trunk bag I have on the current hybrid. I have to carry a LOT of water when I ride. Just 2 hours I'll suck down two 24 oz bottles, so if I go more than that, I'll need more water. I sweat a LOT.

When I ride quick rides, I just take my license and a $20 bill paperclipped together. That fits in my little "medium" size saddle bag with the typical flat emergency stuff. I usually only take the house key since I ride from the house mostly and slip it in there.

Someone mentioned medical insurance card. Never thought of that. I'll have to remember to add that to my license and $20.
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And yet you asked.
FWIW, the "cool" guys carry that stuff in their jersey pockets.
Well, yeah, I asked about the best waterproof bag that had two compartments (or was set up to allow me to get my wallet and phone in and out without dumping tools.

And regarding the "cool guys", well, you just explained why I don't use my shirt pockets: The Cool Guys Club won't let me in.
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Topeak Aero Wedge medium holds a lot: tube, tire levers, patch kit, bike tool, CO2 cartridge and holder, latex gloves, spare batteries, 4x$5 and a Clif gel shot. Be prepared! Phone and wallet go in the jersey pocket.
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I have this one http://www.amazon.com/Serfas-Speed-B...erfas+seat+bag
The bottom unzips to expand downward to basically double the capacity. I usually carry in it a tube, a CO2 cartridge and inflator, a multitool, and a tire lever. It has an internal side pocket that I slide my ID, insurance card, and credit card into. It also fits my iPhone. There is plenty of left over room. If I expand it I can fit two or three tubes plus he other stuff. It's not water proof but it's resistant.

I rarely carry anything in my Jersey pockets because it's uncomfortable.
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Oh and I used to have a topeak aero wedge but I sstopped using it because it looks like a scrotum hanging from beneath the seat.
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If you're determined to use a seat bag there are many makes and models of them. Some have a loop and pocket on the underside to hold a mini-pump. Some have a small vertical zipperd pocket on the end of the bag into which you can put a small wallet. Some purport to be waterproof but I'd never trust that. Anything I want to keep dry goes into two ziplock plastic bags.


Sizes of seatbags vary considerably. I have one from Mountain Equipment Co-op (Canada) that will hold a spare tube (26" x 2.125") my multi-tool, my other multi-tool with the 8, 9 and 10 mm sockets, a 6 feet long cable lock and a few granola type bars.

For ease of access though nothing beats either a small handlebar bag or a small top-tube mounted bag. Those can be accessed even whilst riding.

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Well, yeah, I asked about the best waterproof bag that had two compartments (or was set up to allow me to get my wallet and phone in and out without dumping tools.

And regarding the "cool guys", well, you just explained why I don't use my shirt pockets: The Cool Guys Club won't let me in.
Take a look at my avatar to see my bag. Reasonably waterproof and it has two compartments. It's by far the most convenient to use bag that I've ever owned. It's big enough that I have to go through it periodically to sort out all the errata. A side benefit is the cool guys no longer talk to me so I don't have to deal with them either.

FWIW, I still carry my wallet, phone and car keys in pockets. Don't like having to mess with a purse.
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Retro,

My stepfather built a recumbent back in the 80s or 90s. He was with the Foreign Service and commuted with it in Washington DC. The design was apparently well-known: I think it was called the EasyRacer or somesuch. He bought the chrome-moly tubes and fit them up and then had a welder put them together. A terrific bike. A terrific guy, too.

I think I can get by with a 1 to 1.5 liter (there being 116 cubic inches per liter, if that conversion factor helps anyone.

It looks like you're set up to take off and have all the tools, spares , and such you need in that bag. And lunch, with a bottle of nice, crisp Burgundy.

Thanks to all. I'll report back.

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Oh and I used to have a topeak aero wedge but I sstopped using it because it looks like a scrotum hanging from beneath the seat.
Hmmm. You may have a commercial idea there, Sci Guy.

You know: the Truck Nutz you see on certain large pickups owned by men with small ... self worth. These would be humorous. Nuts you can keep your wallet in.
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It seems silly, but the best saddle bag I have was a spur of the moment hack when I was in a hurry. It is more convenient, holds what I want but cinches up well, and looks fine. As far as I'm concerned, perfect for a saddle bag.

It could probably hold twice this if I wanted:


The bag is nothing more than one of those round CD cases with a velcro strap pushed through in back, and a toe clip strap


On the bike I just loosen the strap and unzip from the top.
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It seems silly, but the best saddle bag I have was a spur of the moment hack when I was in a hurry. It is more convenient, holds what I want but cinches up well, and looks fine. As far as I'm concerned, perfect for a saddle bag.

It could probably hold twice this if I wanted:


The bag is nothing more than one of those round CD cases with a velcro strap pushed through in back, and a toe clip strap


On the bike I just loosen the strap and unzip from the top.
VERY NICE!

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I like the Topeak Wedge DryBag! I have a Large size that mainly sits on my touring bike. Holds a wallet, small folding knife, a 21 bike tool folder, a set of light cycling gloves, two pairs of nitrile gloves, a tube or two, Crank Bros Speedier lever, patch kit and some fruit leather. It is way more to carry than most anyone would need but it is on my touring rig and I like to be prepared for most anything.

Those who dislike it, can get a flat. Who cares what some roadie thinks, if we are just out to impress other cyclists we aren't going to get very far. I mean we should still try and impress but it shouldn't be our main focus as practicality is way more important.
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I have a Specialized mini wedgie -- it fits what you're asking for, and an extra leatherman tool. It's very small. I also have a bontrager medium that I'd pack up if I were going on a rails-trail. This one works for trips around town and is quite low-profile. I also carry a cell phone -- that's actually my main line of defense. I don't go further than my wife (or a friend) would be willing / able to pick me up lol. Sometimes on those rails-trail though, you can be 5-10 miles from a place where they connect to the road...so I bring everything I could possibly need.
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