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I was Refused Service at McDonalds

Old 06-02-16, 12:13 PM
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Little known fact: bicyclists are entitled to use the drive-thru at McDonald's if they are blind.
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Old 06-02-16, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent
What happened to the idea that a bike is a legal vehicle?
It's always been a weak idea. Perfectly legal to ride a bike while you're drunk in Washington state, if you try to drive a car that way you'll wind up in jail.
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They shoot horses, don't they?
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Yes, a hypersensitive venue. Though, for insurance/liability reasons I can see why a shop might be a bit of a stickler for the policy impacts. After all, they're only losing out on a couple dollars' worth of "food" sales. Probably won't even be noticed.

I much prefer some decades ago, when service wasn't a four-letter word, when it was assumed that reasonable accommodation and going with the flow was part of what made the sale and kept customers coming back. *sigh*
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Here's a thought. Ride an adult tricycle or quadricycle to the McDonnalds drive thru and see if you're still refused service. After all with either of those you're not a bicyclist any more. How about e-bikes or mopeds?

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Old 06-02-16, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Clyde1820
Though, for insurance/liability reasons I can see why a shop might be a bit of a stickler for the policy impacts. After all, they're only losing out on a couple dollars' worth of "food" sales. Probably won't even be noticed.

Couple of days ago:

Customer in McDonald's drive-thru gets run over by own car - CBS News

Will they be banning cars in the drive-thru, now? I've found many more drive-thru automobile injuries and deaths than bicycle injuries and deaths. Risk doesn't seem to be the motivating factor, at all.
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Old 06-02-16, 03:02 PM
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This thread is real world proof: "There are none so blind as he who will not see."
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Old 06-02-16, 03:30 PM
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I'm amazed that this thread is now on its eleventh page. After all, suing McDonalds will probably only cost, what -- $20,000 or $30,000? Peanuts considering the payoff: getting to order a Diet Coke while standing in the sun.
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Originally Posted by kevindsingleton
Couple of days ago:

Customer in McDonald's drive-thru gets run over by own car - CBS News

Will they be banning cars in the drive-thru, now? I've found many more drive-thru automobile injuries and deaths than bicycle injuries and deaths. Risk doesn't seem to be the motivating factor, at all.
Maybe that is because they have a policy prohibiting it. I've been hit in a drive thru, two bumpers running into each other is far less damaging than a cyclist pinned between two bumpers.

In any case, that story merely proves exactly the risk a car can present to a pedestrian.
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Originally Posted by Miele Man
Here's a thought. Ride an adult tricycle or quadricycle to the McDonnalds drive thru and see if you're still refused service. After all with either of those you're not a bicyclist any more. How about e-bikes or mopeds?

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I've been denied service on a motorcycle.
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Old 06-03-16, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent
What happened to the idea that a bike is a legal vehicle?
My feeling as well EXCEPT McDonald's is private property. Go elsewhere. I'd also tell them that I belong to a cycling club of 150 members (I do) and that I would be putting out an email about my experience.
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Old 06-03-16, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by McBTC
Little known fact: bicyclists are entitled to use the drive-thru at McDonald's if they are blind.
I'd like to see them ride the bike at all let alone go though a drive-thru.

Edit: They could be the stoker on a tandem: Bicycling Blind | Connecting blind cyclists with sighted pilots. . But I meant cycling by themselves in the sentence above...
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Old 06-03-16, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
Maybe that is because they have a policy prohibiting it.
Maybe.

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In any case, that story merely proves exactly the risk a car can present to a pedestrian.
It kinda doesn't, and pedestrians have never been the topic.

Still, this is another example that proves that risk isn't what's driving the policy.
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Old 06-03-16, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by kevindsingleton
It kinda doesn't, and pedestrians have never been the topic.

Still, this is another example that proves that risk isn't what's driving the policy.
For all intents and purposes of this discussion, cyclists are effectively pedestrians.

And you are operating under the impression that McDonald's has to justify anything to you. Maybe they simply don't want pompous cyclists in their line who are there trying to prove a point, it really wouldn't matter as they have no obligation to serve you. The rule is there, well known, and fairly universal amongst all fast food chains and location.

As you can probably tell, I'm back to work and still bored....
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Old 06-03-16, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
For all intents and purposes of this discussion, cyclists are effectively pedestrians.
If you like. I have no interest in pursuing that trajectory, though. The post to which you couldn't restrain yourself from responding was about injuries that occurred to a motorist in a drive-thru, not pedestrians, or even cyclists.

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And you are operating under the impression that McDonald's has to justify anything to you.
No, I'm not.

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Maybe they simply don't want pompous cyclists in their line who are there trying to prove a point, it really wouldn't matter as they have no obligation to serve you. The rule is there, well known, and fairly universal amongst all fast food chains and location.
That's about as far from truth as you can get. The original post indicated that the OP was surprised by the refusal of service, as am I. It makes no sense, when you consider the actual facts. Regardless, my only position, throughout this discussion, has been to question why the store manager lied about the reason for the policy.

Originally Posted by jefnvk
As you can probably tell, I'm back to work and still bored....
How was the vacation?
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Old 06-03-16, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by kevindsingleton
If you like. I have no interest in pursuing that trajectory, though. The post to which you couldn't restrain yourself from responding was about injuries that occurred to a motorist in a drive-thru, not pedestrians, or even cyclists.



No, I'm not.



That's about as far from truth as you can get. The original post indicated that the OP was surprised by the refusal of service, as am I. It makes no sense, when you consider the actual facts. Regardless, my only position, throughout this discussion, has been to question why the store manager lied about the reason for the policy.



How was the vacation?
The injury occurred to a body outside of a vehicle being contacted by a vehicle, even if it was in a vehicle to begin with. Pretty analogous to what would occur if a pedestrian was hit.

Again, there are many reasons one may want to limit non-vehicle access to the drive thru, liability and safety to both customer and employee foremost.Whether it is reasons you do or do not find acceptable, or agree with, is as irrelevant as me disagreeing that not wearing a shirt should not limit me from the dining room.

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Originally Posted by jefnvk
The injury occurred to a body outside of a vehicle being contacted by a vehicle, even if it was in a vehicle to begin with. Pretty analogous to what would occur if a pedestrian was hit.
You've just equated a single-vehicle accident with a multi-vehicle accident in a discussion about liability.

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Again, there are many reasons one may want to limit non-vehicle access to the drive thru, liability and safety to both customer and employee foremost.
The policy doesn't limit non-vehicle access to the drive-thru. It only denies service to the occupants of certain vehicles already in the drive-thru lane. We've proven that bicycles in the drive-thru present far less risk than motor vehicles.

Originally Posted by jefnvk
Whether it is reasons you do or do not find acceptable, or agree with, is as irrelevant as me disagreeing that not wearing a shirt should not limit me from the dining room.
My opinion about the policy has never been in contention. I'm pretty sure it's never even been revealed. What we've discovered, through these eleven pages of discussion, is that the reason for the policy, if there is one, is not related to liability.

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Cool.
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Originally Posted by kevindsingleton
Couple of days ago:

Customer in McDonald's drive-thru gets run over by own car - CBS News

Will they be banning cars in the drive-thru, now? I've found many more drive-thru automobile injuries and deaths than bicycle injuries and deaths. Risk doesn't seem to be the motivating factor, at all.
They're not serving folks outside of vehicles, in a vehicle lane. Seems squarely in the arena of risk, or rather risk avoidance. Simple enough, it's hard to run over folks if folks aren't outside of vehicles in vehicle lanes. Same as, say, on highways, which is also a simple question of risk.
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Originally Posted by Clyde1820
They're not serving folks outside of vehicles, in a vehicle lane. Seems squarely in the arena of risk, or rather risk avoidance. Simple enough, it's hard to run over folks if folks aren't outside of vehicles in vehicle lanes. Same as, say, on highways, which is also a simple question of risk.
How does refusing service to someone on a bicycle who is already in the drive-thru lane avoid risk? Risk of what?
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Fact. Most fast food places will not serve bicyclists in the drive thru lane(s).
Fact. This is company policy.
Fact. The company does not have to explain their policy.
Fact. Next time bring a lock and use the counter inside the store.
Fact. This is much ado about very little.

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Originally Posted by Miele Man
Fact. Most fast food places will not serve bicyclists in the drive thru lane(s).
Fact. This is company policy.
Fact. The company does not have to explain their policy.
Fact. Next time bring a lock and use the counter inside the store.
Fact. This is much ado about very little.

Cheers
Fact. This all has very little to do with being denied service late at night.

Cheers


No car, no service.
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if McD's refused someone service, they did them a favor.

they should consider themselves lucky instead of whining about it.
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Originally Posted by FullGas
if McD's refused someone service, they did them a favor.

they should consider themselves lucky instead of whining about it.

Yes and that's been discussed here. Pretty much no one disputes that. What gets some people PO'd, including me is being denied service cause of traveling in another mode of legal transportation that is other than a car. Furthermore I get PO'd cause I'm paying for this discriminating! Hell it's a good place for me personally to meet people. I have to have an agreed upon meet up point for unloading parts from CL.

No car, no service.
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Yes and that's been discussed here. Pretty much no one disputes that. What gets some people PO'd, including me is being denied service cause of traveling in another mode of legal transportation that is other than a car. Furthermore I get PO'd cause I'm paying for this discriminating! Hell it's a good place for me personally to meet people. I have to have an agreed upon meet up point for unloading parts from CL.

No car, no service.

Just like at some service stations there's a lan that's clearly marked TRUCKS ONLY. take your car in there and see what happens.

Just like places that have signs NO SHOES, NO SERVICE or NO SHIRT, NO SERVICE.

If bicyclist feel so discriminated against by McDonald's maybe those bicyclists should contact the American Civil Liberties Union? LOL VBEG

Or bicyclists could carry a thin cable lock and lock their bicycle and go inside? Even more so if the McDonald's is a meeting up point.

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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
Sonic Double bacon cheeseburger. Large M&M milkshake. Large tots. FOUR THOUSAND CALORIES. Sweet jesus.
Dear goodness! That's more calories than I eat in two entire days!!!! Ronald McDonald must be spinning in his grave!
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