ModeratedUser

In your fictitious service station, there must be a lan for cars yeah?

And yes I can see some legal battle coming about discriminating against someone that doesn't have a car. Here in the wild wild west there are fast food restaurants that are discriminating against someone that doesn't have a car. Late late at night bicycle riders aren't being allowed to go to the service window. This is being allowed for car drivers, bike riders, NO WAY. This will eventually change. I myself changed Rite-Aids policy of not allowing bicyclists to it's service window. It's been a rather pleasant experience so far.

Also I'm pretty sure what the parameter was that we were talking about going to their service window late at night. This is when the option to use a rather insecure "thin cable lock" moot, cause walk-ins are not welcomed.

Cheers


No car, no service.

Murray Missile 

Big Muddy's probably would, at least on the outdoor patio. Don't think they serve ice cream though.......

bakes1

Whoa!
If that email gets out it could ruin McDonalds...

bruce19

They don't need me to destroy them. They seem to be doing well enough on their own. Many of them are franchises owned by local business people. I can assure you they don't want "bad blood" with anyone in the community. If you don't understand that....not much more to say.

Clyde1820

By being known to only serve folks inside vehicles, the lanes will tend to stay free of pedestrians and others outside of vehicles. Safer, that way, with vehicles around.

Making exceptions, or during the occasional person disregarding policy, you get folks in the vehicle lane. Nowhere near as dangerous as a real roadway but, still, moving cars can injure folks badly if they get struck. Shouldn't be hard to see why such venues have such policies. Whether or not we agree with them.

Miele Man

1st of all those service stations with trucks only lanes are not ficticious!

2nd McDonald's does have bcyclist/pedestrian service and you get to it by going inside. If you're a bicyclist you lock your bike up outside.

3rd if you can't realize that McDonald's and other fast food places have a right to refuse service to non-motorized customers or motorcyclists at the stores drive-thru for anty reson then it's you that has a problem not the store.

Gads! there are 12 pages and 281 posts at this time about this. Many of you sound like a bunch of whiny kids when they don't get their way. Bicyclist not being served in drive-thru lanes is common fastfood company policy. Get over it. I'm done with this thread.

Cheers

bakes1

Wow. You learned about franchises and franchisees today in business class. Bravo.
I can assure you though that they do not want cyclists in their drive thru. Hence the clearly worded signage. It is obviously a choice they made before they posted the signs. I am sure they understood that over the course of many years a handful of outraged bike weenies that don't understand the concept of a lock would get their spandex superhero costumes in a bunch over it and they just don't care...
I feel sorry for anyone that cannot understand that.

5kdad

I know first hand from people who work at our local McDonald's, that people come through their drive up window and have been served on bicycles, and even horses!

wphamilton

Of course! There being no good business reason to prohibit it aside from what I mentioned earlier: not wanting to encourage groups of youths to congregate in the parking lot.

It is human nature to object to any individual doing anything deemed unusual. For some people. And there are a few who will always insist on slavish adherence to their rules no matter how arbitrary, and don't really care if it erodes customer perceptions. Those types do sometimes try to run restaurants (because everyone's an "expert" when it comes to cafe and fast food). So surely some franchises will allow it, while others won't.

kevindsingleton 

Go ahead and post the company policy. I haven't found it. From the evidence, it's far more likely left to the stores to determine.

So, how did you learn "fact" #2 ? The "fact" is that the policy has to be explained. Secret policies would be completely ineffective.

That's not even a "fact", just an order from someone who lacks the authority to give orders.

No argument, there!

kevindsingleton 

We're not talking about people who are not in the drive-thru lane on bicycles. We're talking about people who are in the drive-thru lane on bicycles. The policy doesn't prevent someone riding their bike in the lane. It only prevents them being served.

More people have been injured, or killed, while in, or getting in (or out) of motor vehicles in drive-thru lanes than people on bicycles (according to my limited research). The facts indicate that drivers and passengers of motor vehicles are being injured, or killed, but cyclists are not. If risk were the motivating factor, then the policy should prohibit motor vehicles, not cyclists.

Besides, there are plenty of situations in which there is little, or no risk, but the policy is still applied.

Fun with words, from "Arbitrary & Capricious" Defined
[h=2]ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS[/h]Absence of a rational connection between the facts found and the choice made. Natural Resources. v. U.S., 966 F.2d 1292, 97, (9th Cir.'92). A clear error of judgment; an action not based upon consideration of relevant factors and so is arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion or otherwise not in accordance with law or if it was taken without observance of procedure required by law. 5 USC. 706(2)(A) (1988).

kevindsingleton 

See? Common sense can still be used in modern society. For now, anyway.

fietsbob

lock up your bike out side a real restaurant . the food is better.. & they will serve cool Beers,

kevindsingleton 

Good post.

juankrik

welcome the bike,what the put this selling ??

mrchaotica

I've filled my car up from the truck pumps. It worked just fine (mostly because the car in question, a VW New Beetle, was a diesel).

jefnvk

Yeah, local franchise owners are known as being the pinnacle of catering to the customer and caring about the image of the business

If the local stores response is effectively "so what, people will still come to us" whenever I complain about an order being wrong, I seriously doubt they care about the couple people who want to ride their bike up to the drive thru.

Maybe they have. If so, great, but at the end of the day that is still nothing but their personal policy, which I support them being able to make in whatever legal way they so choose. There are restaurants where I can be served in a swimsuit by the pool, that still doesn't mean I can expect to go shirtless into a McDonalds.

Luis G.

Business people with over a million tied up in Franchise costs that have to follow McDonald's policies... Yeah they can afford a few cyclers being hypersensitive, they cannot afford McDonalds closing them though.
The drive-thru policy is for your safety. Do you get mad because you are required to wear a helmet and drivers don't?

I-Like-To-Bike

So would the DQ and they do have ice cream, more or less. But entitled prima donnas will still have to get off their bicycles to walk up to the outdoor window.

Maybe Amazon or Uber can offer a new service to purchase and deliver ice cream and fast food to whiny cry babies who don't want to carry a bike lock or get late night munchies and don't have access to their own car.

Miele Man

The trucks only lanes I was referring to are for 18-wheelers only.

Cheers

mrchaotica

Yes, I understood; that's what I was referring to too. To be explicit, I'm saying that I've filled my VW New Beetle up at the 18-wheeler pumps at a truck stop -- the ones with pumps on both sides of the bay (for filling up the left and right side tanks simultaneously), and extra-large high-flow nozzles -- and nobody tried to stop me or complain. It was a comical sight to see my subcompact car dwarfed by the big rigs in the next stall.

bruce19

Nah. I don't have to wear a seat belt.

bakes1

This.
The perfect ending to this cesspool of a sensitivity thread

Rollfast

Yes, this needs to close, it's not going to recover.

Cyclist0084

Post of the day!!