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Ideas for discouraging homeless people for using bike locker as public storage?

Old 06-06-16, 10:37 AM
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Ideas for discouraging homeless people for using bike locker as public storage?

The shopping center has bike lockers right in front of the gym I go to. They're the bring your own lock type, but homeless people started using them as permanent public storage and are sleeping in them, so the people who have been cycling to the gym can no longer use the lockers. Does anyone have any ideas to discourage the homeless people from monopolizing the bike lockers as their free public storage?
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Old 06-06-16, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Kertrek View Post
The shopping center has bike lockers right in front of the gym I go to. They're the bring your own lock type, but homeless people started using them as permanent public storage and are sleeping in them, so the people who have been cycling to the gym can no longer use the lockers. Does anyone have any ideas to discourage the homeless people from monopolizing the bike lockers as their free public storage?
I think you'll have to complain to the landlords and maybe the police.

Is there any kind of signs stating no overnight use, no camping, and sets a time limit for use?
You should push to get that first and then get landlord or police to cut locks and empty them out once they do.
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Old 06-06-16, 10:48 AM
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For the landlord or owner(s) of the lockers: Cut off any locks which remain on them for longer than, 24 hours, and haul any contents to the curb or into a dumpster for trash pickup. Post signs indicating that this will happen.
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Old 06-06-16, 10:49 AM
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mace or taser them...or both.
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Have them install conventional bike racks?

In all honesty, if the homeless are using them as housing/storage, I'd be willing to bet the result is the property deciding the appeal of them to the homeless makes them more trouble than they are worth, and they go away anyways.
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Old 06-06-16, 10:56 AM
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Keep them locked 24/7 somehow is the only option. Which probably means charging rent for using them as a practical matter.
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Old 06-06-16, 11:00 AM
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If that many of them are being used in this way, it seems like treating the symptom won't really help much. Maybe organize a cyclist fundraiser to give them support, or install actual lockers for them to use so they won't use the bike lockers.
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Let me guess, you're in Portland, OR? (I can't think of anywhere else where (a) there are enough homeless for that to be a problem, (b) the landlords tolerate the homeless to that degree, and (c) the bike facilities are that nice, with all conditions occurring simultaneously.)
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Old 06-06-16, 11:40 AM
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i guess them being used as a homeless shelter is a better purpose than keeping my bike 'safe'
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Old 06-06-16, 11:41 AM
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Have them move in with you. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by General Geoff View Post
For the landlord or owner(s) of the lockers: Cut off any locks which remain on them for longer than, 24 hours, and haul any contents to the curb or into a dumpster for trash pickup. Post signs indicating that this will happen.
so lets say im at work, get a call my wife is in the er, i rush to the er, forget all about my bike in the locker and find my locker open and empty the next day, bike gone

really?
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Originally Posted by italktocats View Post
so lets say im at work, get a call my wife is in the er, i rush to the er, forget all about my bike in the locker
Forget about the bike? You need to get your priorities straight.

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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Forget about the bike? You need to get your priorities straight.

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Sounds like he does have his priorities straight. Ha Hah?
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Orangevale has some of these being used for this purpose. A local Walmart installed them, I would guess for a tax break or greenwashing or something. There are a few that are close to the road but a few more buried deep behind the store, and they are definitely used for shelter sometimes. I heard about it a year ago, the policing may have improved since then.

I'm not sure what to suggest. I can think of obvious problems with any solution. They don't seem like a great idea in the first place.
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The shopping centre has on site security and should be told. Being homeless is not a crime but squatting on private land and taking over the lockers is. Every homeless person knows where there is shelter and what groups that are willing to help them but they just prefer to be homeless. Not your problem as a customer and so many liabilities as a land owner.
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Some folks have missed the point.

There are homeless people who needed your bike lockers...

Mace and taser is not a joke. Here at Bike Forums every person is a PERSON. We ask that they be dealt with LEGALLY and not be the facetious subject of jokes. Please show good decorum.
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Homeless people are people too and they need a place to stay. Why not your bike locker? Feels like we're being awfully selfish if they aren't allowed to sleep in public, nor are they allowed to sleep in a nonpublic place.
You might as well fine them for sleeping.

The law and buisness is already unfair to them. Let us people help whenever we can.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Some folks have missed the point.

There are homeless people who needed your bike lockers...

Mace and taser is not a joke. Here at Bike Forums every person is a PERSON. We ask that they be dealt with LEGALLY and not be the facetious subject of jokes. Please show good decorum.
Mace & tasers are kind of a joke actually and I believe most homeless people in NYC have become immune to both.
I suggest fire hoses and sharks with frikkin laser beams
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Originally Posted by italktocats View Post
so lets say im at work, get a call my wife is in the er, i rush to the er, forget all about my bike in the locker and find my locker open and empty the next day, bike gone

really?
Yes really. Happens all the time to folks who conveniently forget that their car is parked in a metered or time sensitive zone, come back and their car is gone, impounded. Not the property owner's problem that you had an emergency and forgot about your bike.
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Originally Posted by bakes1 View Post
Mace & tasers are kind of a joke actually and I believe most homeless people in NYC have become immune to both.
I suggest fire hoses and sharks with frikkin laser beams
careful, the decorum police will cite you for that...
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Originally Posted by blue192 View Post
The shopping centre has on site security and should be told. Being homeless is not a crime but squatting on private land and taking over the lockers is. Every homeless person knows where there is shelter and what groups that are willing to help them but they just prefer to be homeless. Not your problem as a customer and so many liabilities as a land owner.
I only somewhat agree with this. The bike coop I work at is next to a homeless shelter. While yes, the homeless know where they can stay, that stuff gets around quickly, I honestly think that the majority of homeless people are mentally impaired. Often they're extremely paranoid or socially awkward. I think much of it is undiagnosed mental disorders. So much so that they couldn't hold a job or be left in charge of money. These people don't like to accept help. They think nothing is wrong and that they don't need help.

The other minority of them are drug and alcohol abusers who have crippling addictions. You wouldn't think that a homeless person would be able to afford cigarettes or alcohol, but they surely can.

Finally you have the few and far between who are simply down on their luck. Those are the few who would come volunteer at the bike coop and help out. Those are the easy ones to deal with. They're also the ones who generally gladly accept help.

As for the OP: Report it to the proper authorities. That's all you can do. Write a letter to the owner and say that you're not comfortable with the homeless out front and you'd like to cancel your membership.

I may have a better understanding of the homeless of my area, but I'm still working on the sympathy part. I do my part by building bikes for homeless people at the bike shop, but I'm not the person to deal with them directly. I'm not sympathetic enough. It's not who I am.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Some folks have missed the point.

There are homeless people who needed your bike lockers...

Mace and taser is not a joke. Here at Bike Forums every person is a PERSON. We ask that they be dealt with LEGALLY and not be the facetious subject of jokes. Please show good decorum.
Thank you for this.

Very few choose to be homeless. Many have made terrible mistakes and regret their choices.

@corrado33 is correct. Many have mental problems. As for shelters, I don't know how many of you have been to those places but they are often the last place anyone wants to go - it isn't the Waldorf. Your shoes will get stolen if you don't sleep with them on. That's just an example. I know a couple that sleeps in the woods because they refuse to go to the local shelters. They are better off in a tent.


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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Some folks have missed the point.

There are homeless people who needed your bike lockers...

Mace and taser is not a joke. Here at Bike Forums every person is a PERSON. We ask that they be dealt with LEGALLY and not be the facetious subject of jokes. Please show good decorum.
How do i/others know this above is not (from/of) a ROBOT?
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I could imagine a new keyless lock that would require a gym membership card + PIN number to open/close the locks.
  • Get to empty locker. Scan membership card to put bike in.
  • Close. Add personal PIN number for security.
  • Work out at gym.
  • Scan card + PIN number to get the bike back out.
  • Reset to card only.

Somebody has to make an appropriate lock.

For a cheaper version.
Get 2 locks. Gym Lock + Personal Lock.
Cyclists are given the key/combination to the gym lock.
Then add their own lock + gym lock when in use.
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