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ZombieTaco 08-08-16 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by RFEngineer (Post 18971701)
My point is, I think OP was using the rack correctly.

So where is the 2" adapter in the pics then?

If it was being used properly and secured to the stinger via two bolts it would still be there in the pics as the 2" adapter extends at least 1" beyond the end of the hitch receiver.

The 45° bolt should be 4-5" outside of the hitch receiver, not at the very end as pictured.

Pilot error.

RFEngineer 08-08-16 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by ZombieTaco (Post 18971713)
So where is the 2" adapter in the pics then?

If it was being used properly and secured to the stinger via two bolts it would still be there in the pics as the 2" adapter extends at least 1" beyond the end of the hitch receiver.

The 45° bolt should be 4-5" outside of the hitch receiver, not at the very end as pictured.

Pilot error.

The adapter is further inside the receiver than is shown in the manual/diagram. This is also why the 45 degree bolt is so close to the receiver.

ZombieTaco 08-08-16 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by RFEngineer (Post 18971739)
The adapter is further inside the receiver than is shown in the manual/diagram. This is also why the 45 degree bolt is so close to the receiver.

No. You're wrong. The adapter, when used, extends beyond the end of the hitch receiver, as shown in the manufacturer's diagram, to effectively dissipate forces.

100% pilot error.

RFEngineer 08-08-16 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by ZombieTaco (Post 18971747)
No. You're wrong. The adapter, when used, extends beyond the end of the hitch receiver, as shown in the manufacturer's diagram, to effectively dissipate forces.

100% pilot error.

Where else is there a 45 degree hole? You are wrong.

indyfabz 08-09-16 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by jefnvk (Post 18970522)
The 150# tolerance should have included a decent margin, so someone that loaded it at 151# would not risk such destruction.

Yep. It's like tire pressure ratings. I once talked to a Continental rep at the one-off Philly Interbike show who told me the max rating on the sidewall was way below what the tire could tolerate thanks to lawyers. However, in this case I was thinking in terms of a warranty claim.

sail 08-09-16 05:35 AM

I'm no engineer and don't generally read instructions but would never be comfortable having 5 bikes bouncing around back there on any rack.

Kevindale 08-09-16 07:15 AM

ZombieTaco is correct that the adapter could not have been properly mounted unless it was removed after the break and before the photo. It bolts in, and cannot slid deeper into the receiver than the rest of the hitch. What's also odd (and this is not shown clearly in the manual) is that there is an 'anti-sway' piece of metal that should fit in that 45 degree corner cut where the hitch broke. You can see it here:

When the hitch is properly mounted, that piece snugs down right at the weak spot in the hitch. If that piece wasn't mounted, then the hitch would have extra movement right at the worst possible spot. Perhaps that piece broke off and disappeared, but it also bolts to the hitch, like the adapter, and so should be visible in the photos. I think there might have been two places where there was operator error.

If this hitch was as rarely used as the OP says, then it would be easy to mount it up without remembering the proper procedure ("Manual, we don't need no stinkin' manual"), with this as the result. If the OP can't be bothered to come back and clarify, I have to agree with ZombieTaco.

rumrunn6 08-09-16 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Wheever (Post 18970769)
no idea what could have caused the aluminum to break like this.

oh it's aluminum? hmmm my Swagman Titan is solid steel

rumrunn6 08-09-16 07:35 AM

aluminum shaft? with a hole drilled in it outside of the hitch for a lock? that's kinda asking for trouble. is this industry even regulated? are there any standards that must be upheld? this kind of failure at highway speed could have caused a death

and etrailer's demo video is lame. they should load that sucker up w 5 bikes & take it over road some obstacles

AlexCyclistRoch 08-09-16 07:47 AM

I would assume that the OP removed the adapter to show the break. Until he posts again, we won't know. since he was a first-time poster, I assume he opened an account here (and probably elsewhere, as well) solely to vent his spleen. Looks like we opened up a lot of questions he did not plan on. If, in fact, he was not using the adapter, you can bet that he won't post here again.

fietsbob 08-09-16 07:55 AM

Weld failure of mount put a whole family's bikes & rack on the road 20 feet behind Me (on my bicycle) .. about 6 years ago..

big Thud..

WizardOfBoz 08-09-16 07:56 AM

RF, not so sure. For a two inch receiver, the shank should have had the two inch adapter, which appears to be screwed on to the shank (Figure 2a in ZombieTaco's post). I don't see that part screwed onto the shank in the OPs pics. The adapter adds some meat and strength to the shank. Still a goofy design: a drilled part, with the drill size significant in relationship to the shank, drilled diagonally (!!!) thus removing part of the more highly stressed edge of the shank, and with the drilled hole stressed in bending moment (even worse: an oscillating bending moment) rather than just tension.

The lack of adapter may have resulted in higher than normal bending forces and stress on a weakened (drill holes) part with stress concentrators (diagonal hole). Can't quite see the fraction angle, but it looks like either a fatigue failure or a failure due to high episodic (OP hit a bump) stress.

jefnvk 08-09-16 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by sail (Post 18971985)
I'm no engineer and don't generally read instructions but would never be comfortable having 5 bikes bouncing around back there on any rack.

I agree. I've always assumed such things to mean 2 adult bikes and three smaller children's bikes for a family camping trip. We used a 4 bike rack when I was a child, with the fifth in the back of the van, I couldn't even imagine getting five adult bikes to fit, let alone being comfortable with it.

After using roof racks, I just can't get comfortable with any back rack anymore. SO much more secure up top, so long as you remember they are up there.

travbikeman 08-09-16 08:12 AM

Shouldn't a 5 bike rack really have a 2" shaft rather than an adapter like that? Did a quick Google search and have not found yet anyone else have similar problems.

rumrunn6 08-09-16 08:21 AM

why is anyone thinking the adapter wasn't used? who in their right mind would use a 1 1/4" shaft in a 2" hitch? I don't see it in place in the photo but still ... can it even be installed and not rattle without the adapter?

RFEngineer 08-09-16 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by rumrunn6 (Post 18972315)
why is anyone thinking the adapter wasn't used? who in their right mind would use a 1 1/4" shaft in a 2" hitch?

+1
Of course something is not right with OP's photo. The adapter doesn't appear to be sticking out of the receiver like it is in the manual diagram and the video above. But again, how is the post suspended in the receiver in OP's photo?

ZombieTaco is insisting it broke where one of the two m8x30 bolts should be for the adapter, but it clearly broke through the angled hole for whatever that locking thing is.

Wheever 08-09-16 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by rumrunn6 (Post 18972185)
oh it's aluminum? hmmm my Swagman Titan is solid steel

Looks like it from the break. Never seen steel break like that.

Camilo 08-09-16 02:40 PM

I'm really hoping the OP can let us know if he was using the adapter. My opinion is that it's user error, but I'd like to know for sure.

ZombieTaco 08-09-16 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by jefnvk (Post 18972267)
After using roof racks, I just can't get comfortable with any back rack anymore. SO much more secure up top, so long as you remember they are up there.

After using, and continuing to use both types, hitch racks and roof racks are both very secure. Assuming you're using quality products.

corrado33 08-09-16 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by RFEngineer (Post 18971668)
It sheared through the diagonal hole for the "locking knob" shown in F. The M8 x 30 bolt is seen in 2A going in at a 90 degree angle, not a 45.

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/x...imons/rack.jpg

I disagree. That locking knob is angled 90 degrees offset from the hole that we see. It probably just tightens down onto the flat bit of the square stock. The hole we see runs from "full corner" to "full corner" (Top right to bottom left) where as the knob in the diagram goes from top left to bottom right.


Originally Posted by RFEngineer (Post 18972341)
+1
Of course something is not right with OP's photo. The adapter doesn't appear to be sticking out of the receiver like it is in the manual diagram and the video above. But again, how is the post suspended in the receiver in OP's photo?

ZombieTaco is insisting it broke where one of the two m8x30 bolts should be for the adapter, but it clearly broke through the angled hole for whatever that locking thing is.

I think what happened is the OP lost the "anti sway" (or whatever it is)bar that also holds the adapter in place with the "click" (Cells C and D in the diagram) When that bar is lost, the adapter can move if it's not screwed in with the... bolts. If the adapter moves backward, the arm loses support, and effectively creates a huge lever.

I'm betting user error. (Sorry OP, everyone makes mistakes. I lost a bike off of my hitch rack once.)

My question is this. Why not just make the rack with a freaking 2 inch square bar? Why go through the process of designing all that crap just so they can use what looks to be a 1 and 1/8" bar? The answer is obviously money but why? Maybe they reused parts from a smaller 2 bike rack that's 1 1/8" compatible?

RFEngineer 08-09-16 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by corrado33 (Post 18973485)
I disagree. That locking knob is angled 90 degrees offset from the hole that we see. It probably just tightens down onto the flat bit of the square stock. The hole we see runs from "full corner" to "full corner" (Top right to bottom left) where as the knob in the diagram goes from top left to bottom right.

You're right about the angle of this hole. I edited a picture I found on the web:

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/x...ons/Rack_1.jpg

You can see the remains of this bracket we are talking about in OP's photo. The hinge for this lock thing is in red. The bracket rotates down and seems to have holes on either side that line up with the diagonal hole, blue. Why there is a hole there, I am not sure. Unless something comes in from the bottom, there are no bolts that are supposed to go through it. This bracket is clearly separate from the 2" adapter.

Unfortunately, I have little hope that our OP will show back up to set us all straight.

Edit: There is a pin (was, before the thing broke) that goes through the diagonal hole (blue circles). When the knob is tightened, the bracket pivots on the pin and pulls the wedge (silvery part) to the left and expands within the receiver. This is shown in the video above. This secures the rack into the receiver. I imagine if you REALLY overtightened this knob, you could put stress on this weak portion of the rack, where the diagonal hole is. Seems far fetched to me, but this is how the mechanism works.

Edit: Since this thing secures into the receiver via the wedge, you can insert it as far as you want into the receiver. It would seem the OP put it as far as it would go before securing it with the wedge. Hence, why you can't see the 2" adapter in the photo, BUT IT'S THERE!!! Otherwise, the portion remaining in the receiver at this point would be floating!

JanMM 08-09-16 08:22 PM

So, how are the bikes that were on the rack?:eek:

AlexCyclistRoch 08-10-16 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by RFEngineer (Post 18973957)
You're right about the angle of this hole. I edited a picture I found on the web:

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/x...ons/Rack_1.jpg

You can see the remains of this bracket we are talking about in OP's photo. The hinge for this lock thing is in red. The bracket rotates down and seems to have holes on either side that line up with the diagonal hole, blue. Why there is a hole there, I am not sure. Unless something comes in from the bottom, there are no bolts that are supposed to go through it. This bracket is clearly separate from the 2" adapter.

Unfortunately, I have little hope that our OP will show back up to set us all straight.

Edit: There is a pin (was, before the thing broke) that goes through the diagonal hole (blue circles). When the knob is tightened, the bracket pivots on the pin and pulls the wedge (silvery part) to the left and expands within the receiver. This is shown in the video above. This secures the rack into the receiver. I imagine if you REALLY overtightened this knob, you could put stress on this weak portion of the rack, where the diagonal hole is. Seems far fetched to me, but this is how the mechanism works.

Edit: Since this thing secures into the receiver via the wedge, you can insert it as far as you want into the receiver. It would seem the OP put it as far as it would go before securing it with the wedge. Hence, why you can't see the 2" adapter in the photo, BUT IT'S THERE!!! Otherwise, the portion remaining in the receiver at this point would be floating!

What I see:

1) Looks like the adapter is only partially there- the turnbolt and the lower portion of the adapter are missing, and the hinged arm appears to be broken, with what looks like a tensile failure (which could be consistent with a break taking the whole thing apart). However, the bolt should've still been attached.

2) The shaft looks to be attached at 90° from the direction it is supposed to be. I can see no way that adapter could've been attached with the shaft as it is shown, nor can I see any way that the adapter breakage could happen with the shaft mounted as show, therefore, I must conclude that the picture was staged after failure, when the OP inserted items incorrectly into the hitch carrier for this picture.

3) Q.E.D., the adapter was attached properly, and the failure was not due to incorrect assembly.

Questions that need answers:

a) Where is the rest of the assembly, and what does it look like?

b) What was the total weight of the 5 bikes mounted, and was it overloaded?

To the OP: I know you came here to cast doubt upon the manufacturer of the hitch, but instead you have opened up more questions. Also, you can bet that somebody at the manufacturer has become aware of this thread, and now has a fairly complete dossier on this issue, as they await your warranty claim. Right now, you need to collect ALL the parts of the failed hitch, as well as the damaged bikes. You also need an accurate weight of the bikes mounted. Good luck!

jmartone1964 08-15-16 07:28 PM

Follow-up from OP
 
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Thanks everyone for the many comments and questions and very sorry for the delayed response. I never expected this kind of interest or response.

There's no way I can address all your questions but I'll try to hit the main themes.

Firstly, I didn't post here simply to besmirch Thule. I did a lot of research before purchasing this product. I've seen hundreds of their racks bouncing down the highway with 4 and 5 bikes (and sometimes even several child bikes and other items loaded upside down on top of the lot). They have a good reputation for quality and are not cheap. I've no reason to think otherwise just because of a freak accident.

Total bike weight was about 140lbs. Less than the max rating and with the kind of stress and forces the thing will experience, I suspect a good amount of tolerance was built in beyond the max weight.

Yes...everything was installed correctly. It's impossible to use it any other way. I'm pretty sure the 2" adapter came installed since I have no recollection of assembling it. In any case, there's no way to use it in a 2" hitch without it. I went with the heavier hitch because I've seen the 1.25" hitch installed on some vehicles and always wondered why someone would opt for that. It doesn't look very sturdy. Even if you don't plan on towing more than a light weight bike rack or hitch hall, the extra girth of a 2" hitch just made me feel better. I don't know why Thule gives the option to use this rack with either 1.25" or 2".

We've never taken it off road. Only highway and local roads (it's a mini-van). Thankfully the failure occurred only a few miles from home on local roads and not on the highway or far away from home. A few seconds before, the vehicle was stopped at a light and had probably accelerated to 25-30 mph at the time of the incident.

Thanks for the excellent pics and diagrams. I'm wondering if Thule modified the adapter since I purchased my rack 4 years ago. It definitely doesn't extend beyond the opening of the receiver when the rack is inserted.

Take a look at these pics. You can see the adapter inside the receiver. The pic with my finger shows how the pin goes through the hitch and into the adapter. This is shown in figure D of the manual (only the adapter doesn't extend beyond the opening as shown).

The end of the post with the adapter is jammed in the receiver. Once I manage to get it removed I'll post a pic. But what you are looking at is exactly how it was when it broke. Not staged.

I think some of the parts flew away but I've included a pic of the parts that we did collect or salvage. There's also a pic of the main part of the rack where I am pointing to the place the adjustment knob screws into the post.

As for the bikes, I'm yet to have the full damage assessed by a repair shop but I'm hoping to get a way with just replacing some bent rims and tuning 5 tuneups (fingers crossed).

Thule did get back to me a couple of days ago with warranty forms. I filled out the online warranty form for the hitch rack and they sent me another form for the bike damage. I'll let you know how that all works out.


Update - 8/16/16

I've had a couple more emails with Thule to get the warranty claim process moving. Brought the bikes and the broken rack in to the bike shop to get an estimate of the damage/repairs on the bikes. (PLUG: Rich and his crew at Bicycle Tech are great). Rich said he thought it was strange that my rack had 1.25" post since all the 5 bike racks he sells (including Thule) have a full 2" post. We took a second look at Thule's website and sure enough, the technical specs for the Apex 5 says it fits only 2" receivers. Searched around the Thule website for pics but everything I see there is the 1.25" with adapter. Not too surprising that manual illustrations and marketing photos aren't updated or precise to the model. However, I did an image search on the web and did find this pic of the Apex 5 hitch mount on Rack-it.com. Viola! It has a 2" post.

I guess this was a design change sometime in the last 4 years. The
[MENTION=337442]Kevindale[/MENTION] posted was from April 2012 and states 1.25" or 2" with adapter. I searched around for newer videos and found one for the
which still has the 1.25" with adapter but the reviewer states that it's only recommended for use with a 2" hitch. While this review of the
on that model. Etrailer also compares the Apex and Vertex and notes that one of the feature differences is that the Apex has a built in anti-rattle device (what the RackWarehouse.com review calls the
:) but no mention of the post width. I can't imagine why they would use a 2" post on the Vertex 5 and a thinner post on the Apex 5 (which is an upgrade from the Vertex).

I'll update this post when I learn more.

Update - 8/17/16

Managed to get the broken post out of the hitch receiver. Pics attached. Also got the bike repairs estimated. Not too bad for dropping 5 bikes from a moving vehicle but more than I want to spend at the moment.

Maconi 08-15-16 07:31 PM

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