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Fred Tried to Shake Me on the MUP

Old 08-16-16, 07:40 AM
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Fred Tried to Shake Me on the MUP

Went for a spirited 25 miler this morning. At one point I started closing in on some guy on a popular MUP. He looked back so I know he saw me. When I got about 20' from him, I could see he was riding some steel frame with fenders, canti brakes and a metal, front basket. He even had a bell and was wearing some dorky looking touring shoes. I kept my distance and was just off to his left so I wasn't getting any draft. Fred kept ratcheting up the speed, obviously trying to shake me. Wasn't going to happen, especially with my new set of tubeless rubber. After one of his accelerations I got closer and upshifted so he could hear my click, then I dropped back again. After several miles of this we came to end of that particular trail segment, where there is a road crossing that leads to a parking lot of a train station, so you have to slow down. At that point, I turned off the climb a hill and let to guy continue with his trail fest alone. Fun morning.
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Old 08-16-16, 07:48 AM
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So that was you? I figured that you turned off because you couldn't handle my pace any longer
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the only people who bother me on greenways are the people who stop on bridges going opposite directions to chat,
especially the bridges at the bottom of a blind hill

I'll take that back, the trail police bother me, too. People who editorialize about your speed when you're passing in opposite directions.
Panic stops are my specialty.
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Old 08-16-16, 07:54 AM
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I like crop dusting people that do what you did.
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Originally Posted by bulldog1935 View Post
the only people who bother me on greenways are the people who stop on bridges going opposite directions to chat,
especially the bridges at the bottom of a blind hill

I'll take that back, the trail police bother me, too. People who editorialize about your speed when you're passing in opposite directions.
Panic stops are my specialty.
Dog walker on 25' auto reeling leash, talking to other dog walking friend at bottom of said blind hill with bushes on the other side of the trail that both their dogs and crossed up leashes are peeing on......
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Old 08-16-16, 07:57 AM
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true, it's bad when the dog is the brains of the duo

I saw a cool one the other day, a girl who had the equivalent of a giant neon fuzzy boa on her leash
she looked at me with trepidation - I think she was frightened by a bike once
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Old 08-16-16, 08:02 AM
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I passed these two up.

Guess they didn't know that MUP are made for racing.

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wow - ours are wider than that...

ps - I also stay off the busy ones on the weekends
People get really weird on them, and have seen pedestrians intentionally challenge bikes when they didn't have to

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Old 08-16-16, 08:08 AM
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In several miles, you were unable to pass him?

All that money you spent on carbon, tubeless tires, etc. just to be able to keep up with a guy with a wire basket on his steel bike.
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Old 08-16-16, 08:12 AM
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what do you guys have against Wall baskets, anyway - they're pretty nice.
Fenders are wonderful.
Bells and headlights are a necessity.


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In several miles, you were unable to pass him?

All that money you spent on carbon, tubeless tires, etc. just to be able to keep up with a guy with a wire basket on his steel bike.
Some freds can be tough to pass when we're defending our turf from roadie interlopers.
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I was able to Pass this rider.

OH heck it didn't count as his name is Frank.

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If you're not going to pass, stay further back than 20 feet. I'm always nervous when I have someone sitting off my back wheel, no clue as to what sort of attention they are paying or what they are really doing. Also makes it really hard to hear when someone is actually passing me, and for me to time out passing others when I have no clue what the person I know is there is going to do.
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Old 08-16-16, 08:26 AM
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I have Sigma brake lights on 2 of my bikes just for that.

I think I know that guy with the 2 baskets...
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
In several miles, you were unable to pass him?

All that money you spent on carbon, tubeless tires, etc. just to be able to keep up with a guy with a wire basket on his steel bike.

Look up. That thing passing above you head is the point of my post. I wasn't trying to drop him, although I am sure I could have. He was the one trying to lose me, and he couldn't despite summoning all the testosterone he could muster. I purposefully shadowed him as he tried to flex his Freddy cajones.


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quoting myself from the thread next door
Originally Posted by bulldog1935 View Post
there's a greenway/MUP thread going next door
The biggest con of Strava is people compete with each other for time records on these paths, and it can promote unsafe riding around pedestrians, dog leashes and young children on bikes.
I was on this 40-y-o bike in my near-rural neighborhood loop last weekend, 1200' climb in 24 mi, and a final 400' climb to my house. (These are rural roads with no shoulders).
Half the city comes out every weekend to ride it.
On the last 3-mi run, two guys on fly road bikes couldn't quite catch me.

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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
If you're not going to pass, stay further back than 20 feet. I'm always nervous when I have someone sitting off my back wheel,

Uh...20' back is not sitting off someone's back wheel. 20" maybe, but not 20'. And if someone hits you from behind they are far more likely to take themselves out than do any harm to you.
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Old 08-16-16, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bulldog1935 View Post
quoting myself from the thread next door


I hear you. I hate when people ride with reckless abandon on trails. In this case, it was before 7 a.m. so there was virtually no one else on the trail except for a few runners, including two idiots who were running on the wrong side of the trail. At least they were going in the same direction as us.
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way cool - on greenways you have to anticipate everything bad that can happen will happen

I actually prefer that pedestrians or runners hold whichever side they're on than trying to cross over in front of me.
I'll give them a wide berth early, and hope they stay.
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Uh...20' back is not sitting off someone's back wheel. 20" maybe, but not 20'. And if someone hits you from behind they are far more likely to take themselves out than do any harm to you.
When you have literally miles and miles of MUPs, sitting within 20' of a person and following for miles and miles is just plain not good etiquette. Furthermore, I'm no racer, anyone running into the back of me is very likely to take me down with them. Either go around them, or stay back.

Maybe he wasn't trying to drop you, maybe he, like me, doesn't like people sitting off his back wheel pacing him.
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Originally Posted by bulldog1935 View Post
what do you guys have against Wall baskets, anyway - they're pretty nice.
Fenders are wonderful.
Bells and headlights are a necessity.
Where'd you get the iPad mini mount? I need one, and have been looking for years (and putting up with derisive comments when I ask).
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
When you have literally miles and miles of MUPs, sitting within 20' of a person and following for miles and miles is just plain not good etiquette. Furthermore, I'm no racer, anyone running into the back of me is very likely to take me down with them. Either go around them, or stay back.

Maybe he wasn't trying to drop you, maybe he, like me, doesn't like people sitting off his back wheel pacing him.

20' back is not close. So there is that. When that trail is crowded you often have someone 20' behind you much of the time.


And if he wasn't trying to shake me because he didn't like someone "pacing him" what was he trying to do by speeding but shake me?


You're not making much sense.
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Don't be hatin' just because you cannot (or won't) spend some coin on a top-notch product designed and built by one who is a master of his trade and an true artist.
Good point. My custom bike made in my zip code is only made of steel (although the guy also builds with Ti.)

Besides, I was just assuming the problem was the engine, not the bike.
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
If you're not going to pass, stay further back than 20 feet.
20-30 feet is perfect. It's far enough back that you're not on his wheel, and you're not overtly trying to catch him. But close enough that when you're both passing pedestrians he hears your bell dinging only 1 or 2 seconds after he goes around. Reminding him, almost anyone will try to pick up their speed. Except for the crafty veteran Freds. The object of the game is to get them to blow up on their own without ever getting close - but honestly it works better with roadies on hot bikes than with freds.
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