Will you pay hundreds more just to help your shop?
09-17-17, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by C_Heath
So, Im looking at a set of wheels. My bike shop sells this wheel for $899 per set. After this, Ill have to pay 6.75% tax. My shop says, "we will discount them 30% because the 2017's are on the way" and they are really proud to say that. Well, thats $670 with tax AFTER the discount. These wheels are pasted all over the net for $499 with free ship and no tax.
So do you die hard "support your LBS or they will close" guys by these wheels to help the LBS? I sure hope not. Ill buy tires and low end stuff there as well as stuff that is comparable but I cant see that. Not unless you just have more cash on hand than you need.
So do you die hard "support your LBS or they will close" guys by these wheels to help the LBS? I sure hope not. Ill buy tires and low end stuff there as well as stuff that is comparable but I cant see that. Not unless you just have more cash on hand than you need.
If they built the wheel, possibly, if its just a stock wheel that they ordered no way. I can justify maybe 5-10% more from my lbs for certain thinks because I know if I have issues they will help me out big time, otherwise no.
09-17-17, 10:57 AM
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09-17-17, 12:26 PM
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If it were me I would support the LBS....your looking at $170 difference, not the end of the world cost wise but if you have issues a good LBS will stand behind the product they sold you and provide the service needed to rectify the situation. For some unseen reason you have issues with the wheels you bought on-line your pretty much on your own to remove, replace, adjust. etc.....also if the LBS has spent there time helping and guiding you through the process and going the extra mile to earn your business it wouldn't be cool not to support them.....
09-19-17, 01:06 PM
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For me it depends on what I am buying and who I am buying it for. Last week, my wife and I went to an LBS and purchased shoes for her. The reason? she doesn't ride and we are unsure of her bike shoe size. If that store is helpful (and it was) I buy the item from them, they deserve the sale.
If I am buying parts or clothing for myself, I buy it online, because I know my size and have favorite brands that I know works well with me. Parts, I like to do my own work on my bikes so I get it online. When I buy my own wheels I may buy everything from the shop if they determine the size of the spokes for me.
So bottom line, if I need the LBS to determine the size or part they get the sale.
I don't intentionally support the LBS, but give them the business if I think they deserve it.
If I am buying parts or clothing for myself, I buy it online, because I know my size and have favorite brands that I know works well with me. Parts, I like to do my own work on my bikes so I get it online. When I buy my own wheels I may buy everything from the shop if they determine the size of the spokes for me.
So bottom line, if I need the LBS to determine the size or part they get the sale.
I don't intentionally support the LBS, but give them the business if I think they deserve it.
09-20-17, 01:51 PM
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I could probably buy a set of wheels with the discounts and free labor costs that my LBS has given me over the past few years.
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09-20-17, 06:41 PM
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Short answer.....No.
09-21-17, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
In most states, the consumer is the one taxed and liable for payment. If the tax isn't collected by the seller, the consumer is supposed to pay it directly. Some states even have lines in income tax forms for this obligation.
Meanwhile, since virtually nobody pays, some states are extorting sellers to get them to play the role of tax collector.
Meanwhile, since virtually nobody pays, some states are extorting sellers to get them to play the role of tax collector.
To the OP: Make your own decision. If you have a relationship with a shop, it may be worth it to support them. Most of the shops I deal with make most of their profits on maintenance and repair first, new complete bikes second, and parts third. If the internet price is that much less than their discounted price, you really need to compare the specs. The only way I would see such a significant price difference make sense is if you are buying from UK or Europe.
09-21-17, 12:11 PM
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I usually only go to bike shops for...
1- a new bicycle/frame
2- something I don't want to wait for
3- something I'm just too lazy to fix on my own (rare)
1- a new bicycle/frame
2- something I don't want to wait for
3- something I'm just too lazy to fix on my own (rare)
09-21-17, 12:37 PM
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I love extreme examples that may or may not be valid. That's clearly the best way to form an opnion on a broad subjest like "should I support my LBS?" or "how much is a reasonable premium to pay to be able to shop at a local brick and mortar shop?"
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
Why would it bother you what others do with their money?
Agreed. It never ceases to amaze me how many people act as if they have a vested interest in deciding how others ought to spend their own money.
09-21-17, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopdriver
To counter the statement that nobody pays, I can claim to have tallied up my purchased throughout each tax year and then paid what is owing. It's the cost of citizenship, but much more importantly a measure of one's character.
Seriously, this isn't the internet in 1994, they've had two decades to update their laws to account for this and figure out how to collect taxes.
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
I can't be bothered to keep track of every out of state purchase and send them a check.
09-21-17, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopdriver
Everybody has an excuse.
09-21-17, 07:02 PM
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A tangent regarding duty on internet purchases. It sucks when you get hit for duty on the retail price for an item when importers are paying it on the pre-wholesale price which is maybe 25% of retail. I try not to order clothing out of country now after getting nailed for 18% + sales tax + brokerage on a pair of bibs.
09-22-17, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by gecho
A tangent regarding duty on internet purchases. It sucks when you get hit for duty on the retail price for an item when importers are paying it on the pre-wholesale price which is maybe 25% of retail. I try not to order clothing out of country now after getting nailed for 18% + sales tax + brokerage on a pair of bibs.
09-22-17, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
Not to hijack this, but to clarify:
In most states, the consumer is the one taxed and liable for payment. If the tax isn't collected by the seller, the consumer is supposed to pay it directly. Some states even have lines in income tax forms for this obligation.
Meanwhile, since virtually nobody pays, some states are extorting sellers to get them to play the role of tax collector.
let's not discuss this here, since it's more of a P&R issue, but there's plenty of information on this sales tax issue on the net, including discussion of various proposed laws to address it.
So, no sidetrack, go to the net and search "interstate sales tax"
In most states, the consumer is the one taxed and liable for payment. If the tax isn't collected by the seller, the consumer is supposed to pay it directly. Some states even have lines in income tax forms for this obligation.
Meanwhile, since virtually nobody pays, some states are extorting sellers to get them to play the role of tax collector.
let's not discuss this here, since it's more of a P&R issue, but there's plenty of information on this sales tax issue on the net, including discussion of various proposed laws to address it.
So, no sidetrack, go to the net and search "interstate sales tax"
