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Old 11-05-16, 06:39 PM
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Identity Crisis!!What is my style?

Hello everybody and thank you for taking your time to read and hopefully answer my pleas.

Background About Me:
I am a 14 year old boy who wants to venture into the world of cycling.
I am 120-125 pounds, decent physical shape, and looking for a fun new challenge.
If anymore information is required please don't hesitate to ask. Unless like your being super creepy.Then stop that
The Problem:
I got bit by the bug and now can't stop dreaming about how amazing it would be, to be soaring over the toughest obstacles, to be the fastest of them all, and to conquer the most technical terrain with style. The issue is, that I don't know what style of bike to get to achieve my dream. I would like to be able to bunny hop and do some basic street and tackle dirt ramps, berms, and rollers, but still be able to ride harsh terrain. I'm not certain what style to look for, bmx, slopestyle bikes, dj bikes, or a regular old hardtail. Does anyone know which style would best be able to cope with trail riding and do some tricks and jumps? I would prefer to get an all-mountain bike(because how versatile they are) but at around 300 dollars I'm not even gonna try to go full suspension, besides too expensive maintenance. To sum it up, what kind of bike can ride a pump track, ride trails, and be durable enough to ride a little street(basically i want to be able to jump with it as well).

Other Stuff:
Thanks so much guys for taking the time to asses my question. Also if possible could you guys explain what the trade offs be for making the bike more useful for one thing than another? I was also wondering if it was possible to adjust the height of the handle bars with spacers and fiddle with the reach of the bike to make it more aggressive or better for tricks. I appreciate all your help, and implore you all to use your vast wealth of knowledge to advise a noob on whats what.
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Old 11-05-16, 07:23 PM
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$300 won't get you much of a MTB unless you get a used one. For what you want to do I would get a BMX bike to start on. Plenty of us started on those. I was riding my BMX bike on trails before anyone ever heard of mountain biking.

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I don't have much MTB experience, but it seems like you could easily get a no suspension old MTB off Craigslist that would serve your needs. They are cheap, practically invincible and easy to fix.
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With a $300 budget, keep it simple and reliable. Also, buy a frame you can grow into. Get a good helmet; you're gonna need it.
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Your $300 budget is a tough one, and I would avoid any suspension at all in that price range.

What is your most likely riding opportunity? It's easy to fall in love with the look of, say, an all-mountain bike, but do you really have easy access to all-mountain trails? Or is most of your riding going to be urban?

Giant Bicycles used to make a fun model called the STP - that's for Street, Trail, and Park. Think park as in skate park. Fun bike. Pretty darn rugged frame. I built one up years ago as a single-speed just be able to play at the skate park a block from my home. Not sure whether Giant still makes that model, and it's probably out of your budget anyway.

Yesterday I just happened to blunder across the following, fully-rigid and somewhat street-oriented model:

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-ca.../29118/100805/

I like this model because it's perfect for slamming around on streets and riding around town. No low-end suspension to suck up your pedaling energy. The tire tread looks well-suited for street riding. And the tires are wide enough that you can drop off curbs with no worries. Not a jump bike. I wouldn't buy it as a jump bike. But otherwise it'll handle street and trails, at least any of the trails I'm personally accustomed to riding.

BTW, try to visit some local bike shops, if you have any. Get a sense of what others in your area are riding. Plus you'll get a better sense of what models are available and what they might cost.
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I don't ride them - so much for vast knowledge - BUT, the problem with $300 and full suspension is that the shocks will be very cheap. It's such a problem that you really need to go another direction with that, either a used bike with good suspension or hard-tail.
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Old 11-06-16, 10:44 AM
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Not only will the shocks be very cheap on a sub-$300 bike, putting even cheap ones on the bike will take money that could have been used to raise the quality of the rest of the bike.
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Get a used non-suspension bike. You'll get more bike for your money and it will be easy to work on as other posts have said. Look around and don't jump on the first one you see.
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As said above, look at a rigid tail frame, used bikes are your best bet, the Bike Shaped Objects at the big box stores will fall apart on even the easiest of trails, much less on a technical section. Try to find an MTB oriented club in your area and pick their minds for ideas about what to look for, and for leads on bikes.

Best of luck, don't let things discourage your dream when it gets difficult. The Mountain Bike Forum here will be good reading to start out.

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Thanks so much for all the feedback guys! From what I can deduce, suspension is going to be the tricky part... But would it help if I increased my budget to 400 dollars? For now,that's as high as I can go, but I am working on increasing it. Also what kind of geometry should I look for in a bike to allow me to do these thing? Should i get short or long chainstays, etc etc. And another concern is buying used. I am certainly willing to buy used but don't really know how to determine if a part is to far gone or not. Is there any sort of guide to buying used on here or any tips of detecting wear and tear on a part? Another thing I was wondering is if it was possible to adjust or change the reach or other characteristics of a bike to suit a particular style(like more upright for doing tricks or a more aggressive riding position to go faster on trails, maybe through swapping stems or something?). I have also noticed that the majority of bmx bikes are single speed, which isn't really to my liking(plus as I have done a quick google search before hand, there are apparently quite a few trails near where I live in Frisco, Texas(America or the United States) that i will be riding whenever I can) and may be prohibitive when I try to tackle tougher hillier terrain in my neighborhood. Plus, I was wondering if it was a possibility to buy a bike from bikesdirect and upgrade a few of the components. In particular, i was wondering if it was possible to modify this motebecane in particular to possibly make it more viable for bmx as well as trail riding. link here
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Buy a junky bike and start riding with local groups. Someone will feel sorry for you and give you a better bike.

Or get your dad to buy you a cheap bike. Ride it a bunch and make sure he knows that it keeps you out of trouble. That you're a bad, bad boy who wants to do bad things but riding is the only thing that saves you. Then say you need a better one to keep riding. My dad bought all my bikes until I was 18 yrs old rolling on Dura Ace and XTR. But I rode 5 days a week since I was 13.
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Think the usual advice would apply here that buy something that you think you may want for a little less, and then you will learn what you want and need from it.
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Originally Posted by ProNoob View Post
Hello everybody and thank you for taking your time to read and hopefully answer my pleas.

Background About Me:
I am a 14 year old boy who wants to venture into the world of cycling.
I am 120-125 pounds, decent physical shape, and looking for a fun new challenge.
If anymore information is required please don't hesitate to ask. Unless like your being super creepy.Then stop that
The Problem:
I got bit by the bug and now can't stop dreaming about how amazing it would be, to be soaring over the toughest obstacles, to be the fastest of them all, and to conquer the most technical terrain with style. The issue is, that I don't know what style of bike to get to achieve my dream. I would like to be able to bunny hop and do some basic street and tackle dirt ramps, berms, and rollers, but still be able to ride harsh terrain. I'm not certain what style to look for, bmx, slopestyle bikes, dj bikes, or a regular old hardtail. Does anyone know which style would best be able to cope with trail riding and do some tricks and jumps? I would prefer to get an all-mountain bike(because how versatile they are) but at around 300 dollars I'm not even gonna try to go full suspension, besides too expensive maintenance. To sum it up, what kind of bike can ride a pump track, ride trails, and be durable enough to ride a little street(basically i want to be able to jump with it as well).

Other Stuff:
Thanks so much guys for taking the time to asses my question. Also if possible could you guys explain what the trade offs be for making the bike more useful for one thing than another? I was also wondering if it was possible to adjust the height of the handle bars with spacers and fiddle with the reach of the bike to make it more aggressive or better for tricks. I appreciate all your help, and implore you all to use your vast wealth of knowledge to advise a noob on whats what.

Depending on what tricks you want to do, nearly any bike, though it sounds like maybe bmx? If you had a 1,000 budget, I'd say go fat bike....ability to do trails comfortably without suspension. The fast part, not so much though I'm not sure where you want to be fast? Just going downhill? Nothing that is geared towards tricks and/or real off road riding is going to be fast if you meant keeping up in a fast group road ride. A hard tail mtb used, is probably your best bet in your stated price range, even if you upped it to $400. Hard to get decent suspension for less than $1,000, and full squish hard to come by decently for much less than $2,000 new. BMX seem to offer front suspension, but again, price point is $1,000 for new, I've never seen anything used bmx on CL that wasn't crap in my area, so no idea what the used shopping is like where you're at. A no suspension mtb can at least have the drive train swapped out, and tires to make it a peppy street ride if you decide that real off road isn't what you really enjoy, or you decide you need to commute to school/work, etc. The other choice for off road are a little are a little more limited for other applications, though I've seen plenty of walmart full suspension bikes being used for transportation, they're just not terribly efficient.
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1990s Rigid Fork MTB 26" Wheels

Look for Giant, Schwinn, Trek, GT, any of these. Steel diamond frame. Steel rigid fork. 26" alloy MTB wheels with quick release front and back. Triple front chain rings, likely 7-speed rear. Grip twist or trigger shifters, doesn't matter. These can be found for anywhere between $125 and $175 depending on condition. Get one in your size, so read up on whether you're a 15", 17" or 19" and look for that size. Don't waste your money on a suspension at this price point. Get the rigid MTB and learn to ride it like a pro. You can do anything that the other kids can do, it'll just take better technique. The bike will be lighter, too. Thank me later...
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Out here If you want to do tricks using the Skate Bowl , The pedals and pegs on your BMX bike have to be Plastic,
to not damage the concrete bowl for other users.
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Originally Posted by Jiggle View Post
Buy a junky bike and start riding with local groups. Someone will feel sorry for you and give you a better bike.

Or get your dad to buy you a cheap bike. Ride it a bunch and make sure he knows that it keeps you out of trouble. That you're a bad, bad boy who wants to do bad things but riding is the only thing that saves you. Then say you need a better one to keep riding. My dad bought all my bikes until I was 18 yrs old rolling on Dura Ace and XTR. But I rode 5 days a week since I was 13.
lol i wish that worked in my family, but nooooo I have to earn the money myself.......
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Originally Posted by Craptacular8 View Post
Depending on what tricks you want to do, nearly any bike, though it sounds like maybe bmx? If you had a 1,000 budget, I'd say go fat bike....ability to do trails comfortably without suspension. The fast part, not so much though I'm not sure where you want to be fast? Just going downhill? Nothing that is geared towards tricks and/or real off road riding is going to be fast if you meant keeping up in a fast group road ride. A hard tail mtb used, is probably your best bet in your stated price range, even if you upped it to $400. Hard to get decent suspension for less than $1,000, and full squish hard to come by decently for much less than $2,000 new. BMX seem to offer front suspension, but again, price point is $1,000 for new, I've never seen anything used bmx on CL that wasn't crap in my area, so no idea what the used shopping is like where you're at. A no suspension mtb can at least have the drive train swapped out, and tires to make it a peppy street ride if you decide that real off road isn't what you really enjoy, or you decide you need to commute to school/work, etc. The other choice for off road are a little are a little more limited for other applications, though I've seen plenty of walmart full suspension bikes being used for transportation, they're just not terribly efficient.
I'll try to clarify a few things lol sorry: when I said I wanted to go "fast" I meant basically something that I can realistically pedal on (not like a super upright bmx bike with no saddle to sit on)also I mainly want to ride around street and on trails so not worried about road racing. Since it seems my only real option is to go used, do u have any tips on what to look for? Like perhaps what are the signs of a good deal or maybe that I'm being ripped off? Another thing, is I was also wondering if it was a viable option to look on Bikes Direct and possibly purchase something off of there. In particular, I was thinking about this one:
Save Up to 60% Off Mountain Bikes - MTB - Motobecane 500HT
Also regarding Craigslist any tips on what to look for?
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Originally Posted by drlogik View Post
Get a used non-suspension bike. You'll get more bike for your money and it will be easy to work on as other posts have said. Look around and don't jump on the first one you see.
Do you happen to know any places in particular I can look for good quality parts on the cheap? Like any websites or online stores?
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
Look for Giant, Schwinn, Trek, GT, any of these. Steel diamond frame. Steel rigid fork. 26" alloy MTB wheels with quick release front and back. Triple front chain rings, likely 7-speed rear. Grip twist or trigger shifters, doesn't matter. These can be found for anywhere between $125 and $175 depending on condition. Get one in your size, so read up on whether you're a 15", 17" or 19" and look for that size. Don't waste your money on a suspension at this price point. Get the rigid MTB and learn to ride it like a pro. You can do anything that the other kids can do, it'll just take better technique. The bike will be lighter, too. Thank me later...
Seeing as you have a motobecane bike, I was wondering if you recomend purchasing from Bikes Direct or not. Like do you not think it's a good idea for a beginner or would it be a viable option for a cheaper yet better quality bike?
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Seeing as you have a motobecane bike, I was wondering if you recomend purchasing from Bikes Direct or not. Like do you not think it's a good idea for a beginner or would it be a viable option for a cheaper yet better quality bike?
No. Not for what you described. Do precisely what I recommended above. Used. Steel. Rigid fork. 26" wheels. Quick release front and rear. Don't spend over $175. Re-pack all bearings. Learn to ride it. Know your size and don't accept anything that's not right. Save your money for something better until you're fully grown. Listen to me. You'll thank me in 6 years...
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Check out the user reviews at mtbr.com and read the articles, as well. Mtb's are very specific in their application; dirt jump, downhill, all mountain, cross country. Determine, first, what your short-term goals are. Riding well and safely on moderately hard trails is a reasonable goal for the first year or two.
Get a nice, aluminum hard-tail on craigslist, or for 400, you should be able to find one with decent shocks. You'll need one with adjustable rebound and damping.
Look for RockShoks, Manitou, Fox Racing or Marzocchi.
Then, if you want to do acrobatics and jumping, you'll need a new bike with a shorter wheelbase. You should have a coach, too, so talk to someone at your local bike store. Get the full-face helmet and knee protectors.

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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
No. Not for what you described. Do precisely what I recommended above. Used. Steel. Rigid fork. 26" wheels. Quick release front and rear. Don't spend over $175. Re-pack all bearings. Learn to ride it. Know your size and don't accept anything that's not right. Save your money for something better until you're fully grown. Listen to me. You'll thank me in 6 years...
Phil's advice here is sound. You won't spend much, and what you get will be rock solid. Steel is durable.

And hey, ProNoob, I just now paid attention to your username. Love it! Love the humor in it. Fun name. Good choice.
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Check out the user reviews at mtbr.com and read the articles, as well. Mtb's are very specific in their application; dirt jump, downhill, all mountain, cross country.
No, no, no. Don't believe the marketing hype that this guy is regurgitating.

An XC bike can be used to dirt jump, ride a DH course and ride "all mountain." Just as an "all mountain" bike can be used to dirt jump, ride DH or ride cr0ss country, et.c, etc. It just depends on the rider and you may have a limit on the upper end from a speed perspective depending on your skill set and bike choice.

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Then, if you want to do acrobatics and jumping, you'll need a new bike with a shorter wheelbase. You should have a coach, too, so talk to someone at your local bike store. Get the full-face helmet and knee protectors.
Again, this guy should be ignored. FF and "knee protectors" (nobody that is a mountain biker calls knee pads that) are not required.

So much fear coupled with really bad advice.
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Id go with Phil_Gretz's advice.


Though, i do want to say that my older brother is a bmxer. He did the races, the tricks, he and his friends built our towns huge dirt jumps, he did the skate parks on that bike, he rode it to school on the road, he even rides it to work now over 15 yrs later. He did and does everything on those little bmx bikes lol. Even some trails, though they were lighter ones. Just trying to say, he uses one bike for everything and a bmx at that. For what you want to do, i'd think a rigid mtb or bmx, at least to start, would be fine. Buy used, get some gear with the leftover money. Go ride, see what you like...you may or may not actually like what youre thinking of. After some time, you'll know what you want out of a bike, what you like to do, and what bike will serve you best.

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