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Old 11-26-16, 08:29 AM
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Another Stupid Question

I'm an old noob riding an old third-hand Wally World road bike. I'm liking cycling and ready to buy a better LBS bike, but many bikes which interest me come stock with tubeless rims.


My question: Can tubes be used on a tubeless rim?


Every attempt at googling gave results geared toward leaving tubes behind, but I'm going to use tubes no matter what having no cares as to how I am judged.
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Old 11-26-16, 08:40 AM
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Ask them to put on different wheels.
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Old 11-26-16, 08:46 AM
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That's not a stupid question, that's a good question.
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Old 11-26-16, 08:47 AM
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Most bikes, with the possible exception of bikes with VERY high-end racing wheels (likely bikes costing 4-10 thousand dollars) will come with wheels listed as "tubeless-ready". This simply means they CAN take tubeless tires...but most likely are fitted with clinchers (tires with tubes inside) at the shop, and will be fine.
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Old 11-26-16, 08:53 AM
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Yes. You can put a tube in a tubeless tire. In fact, you may need to if you get a puncture that won't seal itself at an acceptable pressure. It's happened to me. And I am surprised that you are seeing so many stock tubeless on road bike, but maybe I shouldn't be since I haven't bought a stock road bike in a long time.
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Old 11-26-16, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
And I am surprised that you are seeing so many stock tubeless on road bike,
It's a trend...it must not cost much different to make a clincher rim "tubeless-ready", but it adds a "feature" that can be advertised. Even many entry level road bikes come with them now.
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Old 11-26-16, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 12strings View Post
Most bikes, with the possible exception of bikes with VERY high-end racing wheels (likely bikes costing 4-10 thousand dollars) will come with wheels listed as "tubeless-ready". This simply means they CAN take tubeless tires...but most likely are fitted with clinchers (tires with tubes inside) at the shop, and will be fine.

Thanks very much for your reply, and all the replies.



You could sit me on a $4-10 thousand dollar bike, but you could never make me look like I belong there.


Somewhere around 1k will be good for me, and some bikes in that range come with tubeless rims. No rush, I'm putting 50 miles a week on the old Denali, even have a sigma computer on it to keep track.
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Old 11-26-16, 09:12 AM
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Not a stupid question and I learned something from it.
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Old 11-26-16, 09:57 AM
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Yes, you will find that most bikes sold as tubeless come from the factory with tubes. Setting a bike up tubeless is a somewhat fiddly job that the factory likely doesn't want to get involved in. Plus tubeless tires leak down faster and the sealant has a limited lifespan, not something you want to worry about with inventory, shipping and a showroom full of bikes.
A lot of tubeless ready wheels still need special adhesive rim tape installed, special valve stems installed and sealant used before actually becoming tubeless.
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Originally Posted by 12strings View Post
It's a trend...it must not cost much different to make a clincher rim "tubeless-ready", but it adds a "feature" that can be advertised. Even many entry level road bikes come with them now.
Well what do you know? My last wheel set was intentionally tubeless, but it was built for my existing Independent Fabrication. A couple of years later I got a custom ti frame and switched over the wheels. I haven't bought a bike off the rack since around 1990.
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Wow, tubeless... never thought of it with all the spoke holes.

Learn something new every day. Certainly not a stupid question.

But here is another... by "tubeless," is that like sewups or more like a car tire?
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Old 11-26-16, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Wow, tubeless... never thought of it with all the spoke holes.

Learn something new every day. Certainly not a stupid question.

But here is another... by "tubeless," is that like sewups or more like a car tire?
More like a car tire.
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Not a stupid question and I learned something from it.
,,,,,,,,you know what they say, if you didn't learn something today ,then you weren't listening,,,,,,,
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
More like a car tire.
So one wonders why cast or forged aluminum or magnesium wheels aren't more popular given they're tubeless.
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Originally Posted by Gweedo1 View Post
So one wonders why cast or forged aluminum or magnesium wheels aren't more popular given they're tubeless.
So one wonders why folks can't understand that cast or forged aluminum or magnesium wheels would be many orders of magnitude heavier than a typical spoked wheel. And completely unnecessary since rim tape seals the spoke holes yielding a much lighter wheel.
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Originally Posted by yak bacon pie View Post
So one wonders why folks can't understand that cast or forged aluminum or magnesium wheels would be many orders of magnitude heavier than a typical spoked wheel. And completely unnecessary since rim tape seals the spoke holes yielding a much lighter wheel.
So one wonders how much weight the needed tire sealant adds, and how much weight the rim liner adds, and how much of an ongoing hassle is it to get spoke wheels to be made to act like real tubeless wheels.
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Originally Posted by Gweedo1 View Post
So one wonders how much weight the needed tire sealant adds, and how much weight the rim liner adds, and how much of an ongoing hassle is it to get spoke wheels to be made to act like real tubeless wheels.
Rim liner is no heavier and most of the time lighter than your regular rim tape.
Sealant - not much, 30 to 60 ml per tire (road/cross bikes), lighter than regular tube (not talking latex or anything fancy here)
New tubeless tires, designed and made as tubeless (for example Schwalbe G-One) roll very nice, can take very low pressure and really no more hassle compared to classic tube and tire setup. I ride both and slowly switching to tubeless on the bikes which require lower pressure (mostly my gravel and mountain rigs). I still carry spare tube just in case.
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Originally Posted by Gweedo1 View Post
So one wonders how much weight the needed tire sealant adds, and how much weight the rim liner adds, and how much of an ongoing hassle is it to get spoke wheels to be made to act like real tubeless wheels.
So one wonders why this is so confusing for you...

Sealant and rim tape is less weight than a tube and certainly much less weight than cast or forged aluminum or magnesium wheels would be.

No hassle if you know what you're doing and your definition of "act like real tubeless" when combined with your ludicrous "cast or forged aluminum or magnesium" wheels silliness just highlights your abject lack of experience with modern bike wheel solutions.

One has stopped wondering about you.
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Originally Posted by yak bacon pie View Post
So one wonders why this is so confusing for you...

Sealant and rim tape is less weight than a tube and certainly much less weight than cast or forged aluminum or magnesium wheels would be.

No hassle if you know what you're doing and your definition of "act like real tubeless" when combined with your ludicrous "cast or forged aluminum or magnesium" wheels silliness just highlights your abject lack of experience with modern bike wheel solutions.

One has stopped wondering about you.
One wonders why another one would wonder about one in the first place. Nonetheless, one continues to believe the current methods of using an adhesive rim tape to seal holes in a spoked wheel to achieve air tightness is a rather Micky Mouse approach for various reason, removing broken spokes only one. One wonders if Stan is really Red Green with another most excellent use of duct tape. One also believes that the sealant is prone to leaking, and not sealing punctures effectively all the time. One also believes that tape and sealant add significant costs over time as well as significant time to keep the wheel working as intended for little benefit in return.

One believes one is well informed as to the pros and cons of tubeless, and one will continue to use tubes until a *real* tubeless wheel design, spoked or not, and a self sealing tire become commonly available. ("modern bike wheel solotions" ahhhhhahahahahahaha, ...one wonders)

Another's mileage may vary.

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