mtb_addict

https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/20/1...e-lane-problem

People in places that Uber operates autonomous cars, BEWARE!!!

Self driving cars is suppose to make the road safer...but it's not the case so far.
They may be reduce risks for drunk driving and such...but it's introducing other risks.

Fastfingaz

What is the point of having a humanless driver in the first place,,,, I think I am being left behind,,,,

Milton Keynes

I didn't know Uber had driverless cars now. We're one step away from Johnnycabs from Total Recall.

finch204

Being a software developer, it will probably take me a long time to trust driverless cars.

indyfabz

There is a thread about this in A&S, should you have the stomach for that forum.

fietsbob

thought Volvo was working on a detector like that.

rm -rf

As usual, Uber is short cutting the process, when it's not really ready to work reliably. "Do it now, and ask forgiveness later."

Google had a video a couple of years ago, about how their cars recognize cyclist hand signals, and wait for the rider. And, at the intersection stop, they wait for the cyclist overtaking from the rear in the bike lane before turning. This is how you do it correctly.

But even the google cars don't seem to be out in rainy weather or snow. And they probably run locally in areas that have been extensively mapped. The Google and the Navtek mapping cars now have 3-D laser scanning along with the photos, to understand the context near the roads.

The google video is quite interesting.
This isn't available on youtube any more, but here's a link that works:
Dailymail UK video link

Screen shots
1. Showing the bike hand signal and the google computer monitoring. You can see the 3-D mapping in gray.

2. The intersection, with cars in purple, bikes in red, and pedestrians in yellow. It's watching all 360 degrees around the car at the same time, and it doesn't get distracted or bored.

HTupolev

The article doesn't say it can't see cyclists, it says that the cars don't currently know to merge into bike lanes prior to making right turns. While this behavior should definitely be corrected, it's also something that human drivers usually seem to get wrong as well. Although, I live in the Seattle area, perhaps SF drivers are slightly less unaware of traffic laws and safety.

1-Humans are terrible at driving. They don't see half of what they look at, they can become intoxicated, they're poor at selecting speed to relieve congestion, and they're wildly inconsistent. Self-driving cars are still very new tech, but in some respects they're already considerably better than humans, and as they get better, they won't just randomly forget improvements.

2-Most driving sucks. If we have fully autonomous cars, we could do things other than drive them while we travel in them. That would be a gigantic quality-of-life improvement, not to mention productivity.

finch204

I would disagree on #2, I actually enjoy driving just as much as I enjoy cycling.

tclune

Absolutely. Think of how many more stupid tweets you could write if you didn't have to constantly be on the lookout for police while texting.

base2 

It sounds to me like Uber had it's self driving AI learn to drive from observing human driver behaviour.

Honestly, a system is only as good as the engineering team that designed it. Does Uber even have an engineering team?

It's my opinion that ctrl-c & ctrl-v and "macro-record" was used somewhere. In all seriousness, though, maybe the ever profit hungry Uber just hit up
https://github.com/commaai
installed it and called it good enough.

Before calling my conjecture crazy, consider this: They don't even want to shell out $150 for the regulatory autonomous vehicle permit.

Stunning lack of poor driving complaints from Apple, Tesla, Google, Ford, etc...

I, for one, will be overjoyed when all the vehicles are autonomous.

no1mad 

Aye, and since it was started nearly 24 hours before this one, feel free to continue the discussion there. https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-s...ike-lanes.html

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