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Old 12-29-16, 02:33 PM
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Water based chain lube

There was a user recently offering bike lube for testing, which I signed up for and received. The product is called Aquasheep and is supposed to be eco friendly by not using petroleum products. I applied some yesterday and will post the results. I don't yet understand how it will hold up to rain.

Eco Sheep - Eco Friendly, Non-Toxic, Sheep Oil Based Bicycle Chain Lubricants



PS, I am not selling the stuff and am not being paid. I am just posting my experiences.
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Old 12-29-16, 02:36 PM
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They sent me a can.

Interesting to see how it does in High Humidity.
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but every wax-based lubricant currently on the market is water-soluble.

I went to HS with the brothers who wholesale 80% of all sheep products in NA - I wonder if they're involved.
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I live where their is a solvent falling from the sky over half the year.
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Old 12-29-16, 03:17 PM
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It's lanolin - wool wax or wool grease - nothing new here. It and other natural waxes have been used as lubricants since ancient times.

Selling it as bicycle lube is also nothing new... https://www.biomaxa.com/index.php

This Aquasheep product apparently brushes on and the company touts the fact that it doesn't come in a squirt bottle. I'd be interested in hearing how thick it is, if it penetrates into the rollers and pins of the chain.


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Old 12-29-16, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
I live where their is a solvent falling from the sky over half the year.
I was thinking about that. My winter bike sure gets hammered with rain.

If it creates an emulsion that sticks to the chain, it might not be bad, as long as one regularly cleans and lubes the chain (daily?). Perhaps I should fix up a winter bike wash station.

I now have a couple of bikes that rarely get rain though, so it might be worth testing on a summer bike too. But, they also get the more expensive components
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I took a picture of the bottle and brush, but every time I try to upload it fails.

Anyhoo, it comes in a PVC glue can with brush and is almost water thin.
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So, I guess bike chain lubes are really messing up the environment huh?
If we could cut back on just a few drops of oil on the chain, the earth would be a better place.
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Good lubrication of any bicycle chain is difficult.The surfaces that move against each other can be under a great deal of pressure, and also because of the exposed position of the chain, exposed to the environment. Complicated. Just like any chain lube thread. I will now recuse myself and watch
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Why bother to use eco-friendly lubes ??... when your bicycle and all of its components and tires are manufactured using petroleum and other toxic chemicals ??
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Yes, I'm eagerly awaiting the next advancement; burlap tires, bamboo frames, recycled cardboard saddle, etc.....

Please, let us know just HOW awful this chain lube actually is.
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I'd say that if it were made to be removed by water, best not to use it in the rain.
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Originally Posted by AlexCyclistRoch View Post
Yes, I'm eagerly awaiting the next advancement; burlap tires, bamboo frames, recycled cardboard saddle, etc.....

Please, let us know just HOW awful this chain lube actually is.
AWFUL will be subjective, and it may take so many months to find out that this thread is awful hopefully it will be forgotten as I hope that I can forget this one

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Old 12-29-16, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexCyclistRoch View Post

Please, let us know just HOW awful this chain lube actually is.
Come now, where's your sense of optimism?
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Old 12-29-16, 05:55 PM
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A lot of cynics in this thread.

The product isn't going to cause world peace but I appreciate that they are trying to do something different even if they are completely overboard on the anti-petrolium rhetoric and drama. The cartoonish label on the can certainly doesn't help their credibility but lanolin based lubes are used in industry and there is no reason why it couldn't work on a bike chain.

Lanolin is just wax, that's all, like any other wax. Biomaxa has been producing lanonlin based bike lubes since 2013. Their packaging does look more professional and I've a mind to try some. I wonder if it has a additive package, molybdenum or similar.


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Why bother to use eco-friendly lubes ??... when your bicycle and all of its components and tires are manufactured using petroleum and other toxic chemicals ??
One reason is lack of petrolium distillate fumes. Petrolium distillates are the thinners into which the lube is mixed. These evaporate and leave the lube behind. This product has no petrolium distillates and so has no fumes.

I don't have a bike or tire factory in my neighborhood but I do get my drinking water from a resevoir three miles from my house. What a tire factory in China does is not in my control but I'd like to think that people around me care about the water they drink.



Originally Posted by Milton Keynes View Post
I'd say that if it were made to be removed by water, best not to use it in the rain.
Any lubricant can be removed by water.


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Old 12-29-16, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes View Post
I'd say that if it were made to be removed by water, best not to use it in the rain.
There is a version called "Extra Thick Sheep"

Eco Sheep™ Extra Thick Sheep™ chain lubricant is biodegradable, sheep oil based chain lubricant developed specifically for bikes and e‐bikes that are consistently ridden hard, in the worst weather and environmental conditions possible. Eco Sheep™ Extra Thick Sheep™ chain lubricant can easily handle the heat, snow, dirt, grit, grime, water, sand, mud, plant matter, brush, and anything else you throw at it and continue to protect your bike’s drivetrain.
Eco Sheep™ Everyday Sheep™ chain lubricant is a biodegradable, sheep oil based chain lubricant developed for recreational and commuter bike riders who demand the very best. Formulated to lubricate, repel water, enhance shifting, and quiet drivetrains, it can easily handle the dirt, grime, and weather of daily use.
EcoSheep Products

I suppose the question is what is "Sheep Oil"? Some kind of sheep lard? Or, perhaps a liquid detergent?

It does seem to be a curious product.
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Originally Posted by bulldog1935 View Post
but every wax-based lubricant currently on the market is water-soluble.
No, they aren't. Petroleum derived waxes are not water soluble. The wax based lubricants use mineral spirits to solubilize the wax which is a common solvent in many other chain lubricants.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
There is a version called "Extra Thick Sheep"

EcoSheep Products

I suppose the question is what is "Sheep Oil"? Some kind of sheep lard? Or, perhaps a liquid detergent?

It does seem to be a curious product.

It isn't new, curious or anything out of the ordinary. It is lanolin AKA wool wax or wool grease.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin
Lanolin has been used since man started shepherding sheep thousands of years ago. To this day it is widely used as a lubricant and corrosion inhibitor. You can order 55 gallon drums of the stuff online.

Biomaxa makes lanolin based bike lubes.
https://www.biomaxa.com/
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes View Post
I'd say that if it were made to be removed by water, best not to use it in the rain.
Well... and I'm just saying... the nastiest, stickiest, petroleum based, most environment unfriendly chainlubes you can buy recommend that you re-apply them after riding in rain...
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Why bother to use eco-friendly lubes ??... when your bicycle and all of its components and tires are manufactured using petroleum and other toxic chemicals ??
True. Why bother do anything remotely good for the environment since your house and nearly everything in it is manufactured using something toxic. The sooner we get this planet over with, the better, because the suspense is killing me.
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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
So, I guess bike chain lubes are really messing up the environment huh?
If we could cut back on just a few drops of oil on the chain, the earth would be a better place.
Exactly. If you want to make a lot of money out of a crappy product just band it "Eco friendly" and watch the greenies line up to save the planet.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
I live where their is a solvent falling from the sky over half the year.
I do too. It might be a good idea in other parts of the world but it wouldn't last long in my rainy environment.
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I tried the EcoSheep "Sheep on the Road" lube for around a month. When freshly applied, it works brilliantly. No need at all to use the brush applicator-- I transferred mine to a drip bottle and applied it one drop per link. Lasts a reasonable amount of miles between applications, ~175 miles in typical conditions. But then there's the bad. It gets sticky. Really, really sticky. Within 4-5 rides of application, you could literally stick your chain to a wall. As such, it picks up everything. Within a month, the chain was jet black and just chunky. So I now have about 90% of a can sitting on the workbench.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
I tried the EcoSheep "Sheep on the Road" lube for around a month. When freshly applied, it works brilliantly. No need at all to use the brush applicator-- I transferred mine to a drip bottle and applied it one drop per link. Lasts a reasonable amount of miles between applications, ~175 miles in typical conditions. But then there's the bad. It gets sticky. Really, really sticky. Within 4-5 rides of application, you could literally stick your chain to a wall. As such, it picks up everything. Within a month, the chain was jet black and just chunky. So I now have about 90% of a can sitting on the workbench.
Sounds like most other tar-like lubes.

What if you wipe the chain down with a wet rag before application?
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Thinking maybe I'll warm up my can of Proofide and drip it on every link.
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