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Old 02-13-17, 12:41 AM
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Cyclocross Finalists -- recommendations welcome

I've been reviewing cyclocross bikes because I am frankly bored to tears with my Trek Hybrid. I'd rather walk to anything under 5 miles rather than ride it, and find myself taking the Jeep at what used to be riding distance. I have a (very, VERY) old Specialized Allez, but was looking for a bike that was roadworthy (i.e., not too slow) and could still handle the local powerline/fire road trails

I am closer to 60 than 50, in decent (but not bike) shape. I would qualify as a Clydesdale, but I have been over 200 lbs even when I came in last in criterium races in the early 90s...just want something fun to ride that could also serve as an every day bike.

I came down to three:

Cannondale CAADX 105 Bike - 2017
Fuji Cross 1.7
Nashbar 105 Cyclocross (maybe the carbon version)
(Honorable mention Mongoose Selous Comp)

I simply can't find an authorized Cannondale dealer within 50 miles of Westchester County, NY (White Plains) that actually has that Cannondale in stock for me to try. Nashbar is buy it/try it...I understand that. Fuji is available online...but I want to sit on the damn thing before I pay for it

A visit to my ubiquitous LBS (Locations every 10 miles), who carries the Fuji, but god forbid you want to actually sit on one. They immediately tried to upsell me to a Specialized carbon at a starting price of over $2500. This is AFTER I stated my wish list and budget. Hey I LOVE Specialized, but my preferred component list does not fit Specialized catalog

It's been awhile since I bought a brand new bike. I am in awe of the new technology. The learning curve for maintenance will be steep, but I've torn apart my old road bike several times...same with the Trek. Youtube is my friend for what I don't know. My question is...where does one go to actually ride the bike the stores so lovingly show in their online catalog? I'd love to get a relationship with a LBS for tough jobs, fittings, etc., but do I ask them to ship a bike from the warehouse just to try it ...what's the etiquette here?

Plus, if anyone has further suggestions for bikes to consider, please do

Thanks for listening...
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I don't know those bikes and what they cost but if it's anywhere near $1500 I'd suggest you look at a Colnago World Cup CX. It's an AL frame w/CF fork and 11 Spd. 105. I absolutely love mine. And, the best shifting bike I've ever owned.
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Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
I don't know those bikes and what they cost but if it's anywhere near $1500 I'd suggest you look at a Colnago World Cup CX. It's an AL frame w/CF fork and 11 Spd. 105. I absolutely love mine. And, the best shifting bike I've ever owned.

Wrench Science is quoting me on one today. My only reason for the Cannondale was its ability to "dumb down" and accept brackets for panniers.

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Originally Posted by kevlar_heart View Post
Wrench Science is quoting me on one today. My only reason for the Cannondale was its ability to "dumb down" and accept brackets for panniers.
Good luck with the negotiation process. If you end op with 105 you will have gotten a great bang for the buck.
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Good luck with the negotiation process. If you end op with 105 you will have gotten a great bang for the buck.
Here is the deal...
Shimano 105 and hydraulic brakes....plus the usual Colnago suspects...out the door sans pedals $1699.00. Waiting on confirmation.

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If you're confident in your size, I would look at the various Raleigh options. They make a nice recreational cross bike these days and if you use their corporate discount (Google it), they should be a very good price. Something like the Stuntman is very sweet and it's $1,300 with the discount.
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If you're confident in your size, I would look at the various Raleigh options. They make a nice recreational cross bike these days and if you use their corporate discount (Google it), they should be a very good price. Something like the Stuntman is very sweet and it's $1,300 with the discount.
I have no idea how to get a code to sign up. All Google links seem to have expired. Maybe it's in the BF Hot Deals section
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A couple things from my experience. And an up front full disclosure - I'm an REI employee who works in the bike department. I'll try not to shill.

I have owned two CAADXs and have loved them. My first one was a Tiagra-equipped model that fit and rode perfectly. It shifted well, and after the mechanical discs got broken in, it stopped well. I sold it to a close friend and riding buddy and immediately ordered another one. The newer one came with SRAM Rival components and hydraulic disc brakes. It rides the same as the older one. I've done a lot if gravel rides (55-70 miles range), a lot of commuting, and a ton of road rides. It's a very comfortable and sturdy bike. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

You need to be careful with CX bikes in terms of sizing. Since the bottom bracket on most CX frames is higher (for clearance in competitions), the top tube is also higher and the geometry is different. I double-checked with the guys at Cannondale in Connecticut when I got mine, and they recommended getting one size smaller than my road bike measurement. I measure at 58cm for a road bike, so I ordered a 56cm CAADX - it fit perfectly. I also did the basic stand-over measurement with a Surley Crosscheck and a Diamondback HAANJO, and the 56cm frame also worked for those. Double-check the sizing on CX bikes.

Shameless plug: This is nothing new regarding REI - it's been mentioned and discussed at length here over the years. If you buy a bike at REI, the return policy allows you a full year to determine if the the bike will work for you. It takes a couple hundred miles for me to sort out a new bike, and being able to return a bike that's not going to work is important to me. A nice layer of protection.

Good luck, and have fun looking for your next bike!
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I have looked at the Nashbar 105 a few times my self for a pit bike. It really seems like a lot of bang for your buck IMO.
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There's a "budget barrier". That's the real culprit. That's why bike owners need to share their bikes. A way to relinquish the need to hold on to material things and to foster generosity, a step towards humility.
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Originally Posted by kevlar_heart View Post
I have no idea how to get a code to sign up. All Google links seem to have expired. Maybe it's in the BF Hot Deals section
This doesn't work for you?:
https://slickdeals.net/f/9347299-ral...-free-shipping

I just logged into the site without issue using my previous login.
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I love my Cannondale CaadX! Thing is great...worth the money IMO
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I would get the Raleigh RXC for $1650

Frame Material Carbon
Bike Wheel Size 700c
Frame All new Direct Connect Carbon w/PF30 Post-Mount Disc Frame, 142x12 Thru-Axle, Tapered HT, Di2 or Mechanical Compatible
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Originally Posted by ddeand View Post

You need to be careful with CX bikes in terms of sizing. Since the bottom bracket on most CX frames is higher (for clearance in competitions), the top tube is also higher and the geometry is different. I double-checked with the guys at Cannondale in Connecticut when I got mine, and they recommended getting one size smaller than my road bike measurement. I measure at 58cm for a road bike, so I ordered a 56cm CAADX - it fit perfectly. I also did the basic stand-over measurement with a Surley Crosscheck and a Diamondback HAANJO, and the 56cm frame also worked for those. Double-check the sizing on CX bikes.

Shameless plug: This is nothing new regarding REI - it's been mentioned and discussed at length here over the years. If you buy a bike at REI, the return policy allows you a full year to determine if the the bike will work for you. It takes a couple hundred miles for me to sort out a new bike, and being able to return a bike that's not going to work is important to me. A nice layer of protection.

Good luck, and have fun looking for your next bike!
Good call on the sizing. I noted the geometry differences and my 56 cm "normal" size will definitely be 54 cm. The 2017 standover is higher than the 2016 because the BB is even higher.

With regard to REI, I would LOVE to work with them, BUTTTTT for whatever reason Cannondale will not ship to a NYC area store. Closet to my location (Westchester County, NY) is 95 miles away in NJ. The brand spankin new REI in Yonkers can't sell it to me, nor receive it in shipment. Ugh on marketing/sales restrictions

The predominant (5 locations) LBS in my area does not carry Cannondale, but I found one just over the line in CT.

I rode a 2016 CAADX and loved it. The owner had scrapped the Promax brakes for the TRP Spyres (now standard on the 2017). That was a 56 cm model, but as I said above, the 2017 has some fairly significant geometry changes.
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REI near me has CAADX up the ying-yang, four or five on the floor and another half dozen literally hanging off the ceiling. A couple are 2016 close outs and the rest are 2017.

There appears to be an REI in Yonkers but REI.com says they have none in stock, probably not a full service bike location. The website says there are several CAADX with 105 in stock at the Marlton, NJ location. (856) 810-1938 is their number.

100 miles isn't far for a $1500 purchase IMO. I have driven from Atlanta GA to Chattanooga TN to test ride a bike and there is always the REI return policy but 100 miles in New Jersey isn't the same as 100 miles in rural Georgia, that's for sure.


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REI near me has CAADX up the ying-yang, four or five on the floor and another half dozen literally hanging off the ceiling. A couple are 2016 close outs and the rest are 2017.

There appears to be an REI in Yonkers but REI.com says they have none in stock, probably not a full service bike location. The website says there are several CAADX with 105 in stock at the Marlton, NJ location. (856) 810-1938 is their number.

100 miles isn't far for a $1500 purchase IMO. I have driven from Atlanta GA to Chattanooga TN to test ride a bike and there is always the REI return policy but 100 miles in New Jersey isn't the same as 100 miles in rural Georgia, that's for sure.


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Normally I'd agree but with a new purchase for a type of bike I'm not too familiar with, a local contact is good. BTW the Yonkers store is considered a "flagship" in that it handles every sport and sponsors classes..blah blah blah. Bottom line is somehow Cannondale is restricted from sales in my area to a handful of dealers. Those dealers carry the ultra high end of the Cannondale line and the only way to get a CAADX in the door is to buy it.

So....I'm off to NJ to test ride the 2017 CAADX 105. It's about the best bang for the buck and seems to be getting glowing reviews. I'll see where I can get one a little closer to home.

It's quite frustrating to read about several mfrs only to be met with stony silence when you ask the dealer if they have any in stock...even in a local warehouse. When I asked one LBS about the Fuji Cross 1.7, which they have on their website, I got an immediate upsell to another manufacturer that's not quite what I wanted and not even near the price I want to pay. I've had better used car experiences drunk than I've had cracking the code of my LBS' (sorry for whining)We'll see
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With regard to REI, I would LOVE to work with them, BUTTTTT for whatever reason Cannondale will not ship to a NYC area store. Closet to my location (Westchester County, NY) is 95 miles away in NJ. The brand spankin new REI in Yonkers can't sell it to me, nor receive it in shipment. Ugh on marketing/sales restrictions
My store is a flagship store, but we were not able to stock, sell, assemble, or order Cannondales because another shop in our area had the marketing rights. Apparently, that firm fell out with C'dale, and the rights went to another local store. They were ambivalent about selling C'dale bikes, so the REI mothership cut a special deal for our store to sell them. Last year was the first year we had them, and they were probably our best seller - there's just so much marketing, R&D, and name recognition. They are nice bikes and are well-engineered.

If your local REIs don't have the bikes, that must mean that some other local store has them. I assume you've looked, though.

Good luck with your search! Hope you find exactly what you're looking for.
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Good luck with the negotiation process. If you end op with 105 you will have gotten a great bang for the buck.
Sadly, the specs on the page were alternative facts Good folks out there , it was an honest copy error that they admitted readily. Stilll in the running but the brakes they quoted were not my first choice
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I'd get the Caddy out of those options because I like the way the frame looks and Cannondales are easy to re-sell because they're popular and people like them.
Good luck trying to get someone to buy a Nashbar.

CX bikes are built strong, don't worry about being a clyde. They're made to take punishment.
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CX bikes are built strong, don't worry about being a clyde. They're made to take punishment.
this^^^ I am a clyde and my CaaD is a tank. wheels were the only issue I ever had because I am in fact a super clyde....new wheels and zero issues....
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Why are you looking at cyclocross. Unless you want to race cyclocross, it might not be the right choice. Generally the geometry is aggressive and responsive, but not comfortable for general riding.

If you just want a bigger tire bike that is fun to ride, has a better geometry and comfort factor for longer rides, consider a gravel or adventure bike. They have a geometry that is more like a road bike, can take off-road, and are just better all-around (I have both).
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Why are you looking at cyclocross. Unless you want to race cyclocross, it might not be the right choice. Generally the geometry is aggressive and responsive, but not comfortable for general riding.
Hmmmm . . . . I guess I have found just the opposite with the CX bikes I have tried. While bike fit is certainly different for everyone, and while many companies may be offering non-competition CX bikes, I've found most them to be more comfortable than most road frames.

As far as the clyde issue, CX bikes are definitely more robust than a road bike. Stronger forks, heavier duty tubing, different geometry, stronger wheels - all these add up to a sturdier bike (sometimes at the cost if a few more pounds).
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Lots of good information here. I have a line on a leftover 2016 Cannondale CAADX Ultegra from a place just over the bridge in NJ. I'm still going for a spin on the 2017 CAADX 105, but I'm hoping the Ultegra deal can come through.

Someone in this thread suggested the Raleigh RXC for under $1700.00...the lowest price I've seen is over $3500....that's not in my price zone

The place selling the Ultegra has 54 and 56 cm models....so I can see which one fits.

I know it's a long time since I've gone to a LBS for a new bike...mostly I've bought used...but I am not enjoying the experience AT ALL

Here is the CAADX Ultegra
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Yummy ride! ^^^
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If you've got a Performance Bike nearby you should check out the GT Grade. Gets consistently good reviews, and they pricing is very reasonable (even more so with the Performance Bike sales).

That CAADX Ultegra looks sweet though...
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