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Old 02-27-17, 10:21 PM
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1st computer or watch?

Looking for something for Speed, cadence and maybe HR, optional....distance rode
(its not for serious training, mainly general improving fitness, learning to ride efficiently)
I don't have any computer or cycling watch atm

Initially I thought about a simple Cateye wireless Cad & Spd computer and maybe a HR watch, then came across the Garmin 25 and 520s bundles, but that still requires the HR strap, and now just saw some recommend Fenix watches.

How many have moved away from standalone bike computers?

Thoughts?
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Old 02-27-17, 10:27 PM
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Garmin 520 is nice. The strap is really not a pain and is pretty accurate. The cadence sensor is nice as well (no magnets). The 520 has lots of other features you will come to appreciate.

Watches are very hard to look at while riding. I also wouldn't think their HR monitor would be very accurate.
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Old 02-28-17, 08:05 AM
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Usually I just use my phone. I have a bike or two with computers on it, but my phones GPS is pretty damn good and you can spend the money you saved from buying a Garmin and get a cadence sensor and HRM and they should link up with Strava or other apps. The problem with GPS watches is the battery life...and I can't count the times I've gone riding with friends and they forgot to charge their garmin.
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Old 02-28-17, 08:18 AM
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When I first returned to cycling after my retirement (I had some health problems at the time).... I bought a HR monitor watch. And a bicycle computer. The idea at the time was to exercise at the rate that would best burn fat so I'd lose weight. And... avoid a heart attack.

I got fit. Lost weight. Heart got healthy.

The HR watch died, I still use just that one cheap bike computer I bought on my daily rider (I now have 5 bikes). And I use a couple apps on my phone: Cyclemeter and lose it! Plus my phone has GPS... so I am good to go.
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Old 02-28-17, 08:22 AM
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I have a Garmin 920XT multisport watch. It does running, swimming, and cycling. ANT communications with HR monitor (strap around chest - I think pretty accurate) and with an ANT USB mini-dongle. It communicates with the Bontrager duotrap to get speed and cadence. Gives me an accurate map of my ride, and the Garmin Connnect Web-based software is ok (a little inflexible and obtrusive, but ok).

If you are interested in logging your workout, cadence, speed, (and watts, too, I think, if my bike had a power meter), a watch is fine. If you like to be able to look down and see current speed, or power, or where you are on a map, a watch is not optimal unless you have young eyes that will adjust from road to short distance quickly.

There are more modern versions of the Garmin watch-based multisport thingie I think. Garmin support has been very good.
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Old 02-28-17, 08:22 AM
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Do not know if you are looking to go on the cheap but I just purchased a Polar FT7 HRM for >$70 and am quite satisfied. It uses a chest strap as a transmitter which I found through research is the best way to get accurate results. It is in the cold season here so I wear it while riding the stationery bikes at a gym. Have a cateye for speed/distance on the bike. I do not like to have too much info to distract me beyond speed and the cadence on the stationery bike has trained me in what 90 RPM is.
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Old 02-28-17, 09:37 AM
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I use Cateye bike computers to keep track of odometer settings, plus it's a good backup for stats in case GPS/MapMyRide on Android phone doesn't work. I use a Fitbit fitness tracker to keep track of heart rate during rides.
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Old 02-28-17, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
I also wouldn't think their HR monitor would be very accurate.
My fiancee has a Gear Fit 2. It is certainly not clinical grade, but more than good enough for recreational exercise/fitness.
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Old 02-28-17, 10:52 AM
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Go Cheap and you can get both; a simple computer and a cheap wristwatch..

you can count the heart rate pulse with your finger on an artery, Wrist / Neck , and look at the wrist watch for 30 secvond of time.



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I use a Fenix 3 watch. I also have an Edge bike computer, but Garmin's watches are much more advanced. They're harder to see while you ride, so if you're only a cyclist, a bike computer makes more sense. If you do other things like run or hike or ski, a watch will also work fine on the bike.

Here's the elevation profile on a ride over Loup Loup Pass. The green section is what I've done so far and the blue is what's coming up. The red arrow is telling me which way to go, you can see it's pointing ahead on the street.

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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Go Cheap and you can get both; a simple computer and a cheap wristwatch..

you can count the heart rate pulse with your finger on an artery, Wrist / Neck , and look at the wrist watch for 30 secvond of time.



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Yeah, try this while you're riding.
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Old 02-28-17, 12:15 PM
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Cyclemeter app on an I phone
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Old 02-28-17, 12:29 PM
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Another Cyclemeter user on an iPhone SE. I have a Wahoo RFLKT, a Wahoo Tickr and a Wahoo BlueSC connected. They work great together. Only problem I've had is the RFLKT disconnecting from the iPhone when the battery is low and I missed the low battery warning. Not a big deal to correct once you replace the RFLKT battery.
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Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
Garmin 520 is nice. The strap is really not a pain and is pretty accurate. The cadence sensor is nice as well (no magnets). The 520 has lots of other features you will come to appreciate.

Watches are very hard to look at while riding. I also wouldn't think their HR monitor would be very accurate.

This is also my setup. Really like it and the garmin chest strap gadget works great and you don't even know its there.

Garmin is great. Online tracking is good with connect and works great with strava too.

Watches i too found are too hard to use while riding prefer the read out on the computer display. 520 is super nice. Color display is excellent.
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Old 02-28-17, 03:02 PM
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I've got my trusty Garmin Edge 500 which is a really good bike GPS: accurate, reliable and long battery life.

I've also got a Fitbit Surge which will do heartrate and all the usual GPS functions. The advantage of the Surge is if you're working on your overall fitness it makes it easy to keep track of how all the different types of exercise you're doing are contributing to burning calories.
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Old 03-01-17, 08:18 AM
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I got a deal on a Samsung S2 smartwatch. I used it a few times but didn't work that good. I also was just going to get a Cateye computer maybe the PA100W link below. I just got a $20 galaxy express 3 phone and using Nite Ize mount. Smartphone can't be that big though. I can keep the screen on dim enough to see my stats or just push the home button. I have unlimited data with T-Mobile. I used once with the Wahoo Fitness app. That app is limited though maybe because I'm running Marshmallow or user error. lol I wanted to use the Samsung S health app but not compatible with my phone. sigh Going to try some other apps next ride.

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The way I figure is: Why get your wrist all sticky and gooey and dirty and grimy wearing a sports watch, when you can put something simple next to your stem? Also, go with wired comp: Much more reliable and no E.M.F.'s.
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Originally Posted by Eddie72 View Post
I've got my trusty Garmin Edge 500 which is a really good bike GPS: accurate, reliable and long battery life.

I've also got a Fitbit Surge which will do heartrate and all the usual GPS functions. The advantage of the Surge is if you're working on your overall fitness it makes it easy to keep track of how all the different types of exercise you're doing are contributing to burning calories.
When the Fitbit measures your HR, can it broadcast it to your Edge? So you can see it while you ride, and so the Edge can work out how many calories you've burned? (It's much, much better at that than a Fitbit. Light night and day.)
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Here's the elevation profile on a ride over Loup Loup Pass. The green section is what I've done so far and the blue is what's coming up. The red arrow is telling me which way to go, you can see it's pointing ahead on the street.
And my brain would be telling me "Ignore what the stupid fancy watch recommends! Turn around! Turn around! Go the other way!".

My normal, hour long ride is about 16 miles with only 1200 ft of elevation. A 33 mile ride with a 2500 foot hill would be tough for me.

But, if you can do it, enjoy!

Also, I'm jealous of your more modern Garmin watch. Mine is grey LCD readout. Not nearly as nice.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
When the Fitbit measures your HR, can it broadcast it to your Edge? So you can see it while you ride, and so the Edge can work out how many calories you've burned? (It's much, much better at that than a Fitbit. Light night and day.)
Unfortunately not. When I got my Surge the Garmin fitness watches didn't have wrist heartrate, now they do. So I think you can use something like a Vivoactive watch and broadcast the HR data over Ant+ to an Edge computer
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Garmin 1000 edge, first as last get the best, does everything you could ever want apart from turn the frigging peddles.
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I thought about a Vivoactive HR watch so that I could use it while at the gym too (not that I do that much gym) and maybe a simple Garmin 25 for speed and cadence but I'm wondering, how many of you really use the HRM function?

Its useful I guess to hit your cardio range or fat burn range but say if you are already in your best hill climb gear ratio, climbing a long steep hill and your HRM is warning you that you are already 110%.....do you really get off the bike and push? haha
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If money is tight, just get a standard wired speedometer. It'll have a clock function on it, it'll keep track of miles and speed, and a single 2032 battery will last for years, no recharging necessary. I have never had a HRM watch; so I can't comment on how they work. I do have a Garmin 500 and I use a standard HRM chest strap with it. It works fine, but the head unit needs charging every ride or two; which can be inconvenient when I go on week-long tours.
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I have a Polar FT4 watch along with some old CatEye bike computers. I hate the FT4, it keeps losing connection with the chest strap. I'm sure that my max heart rate isn't 217. Electrode cream and/or gel only helps a little.
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Originally Posted by WizardOfBoz View Post
And my brain would be telling me "Ignore what the stupid fancy watch recommends! Turn around! Turn around! Go the other way!".

My normal, hour long ride is about 16 miles with only 1200 ft of elevation. A 33 mile ride with a 2500 foot hill would be tough for me.

But, if you can do it, enjoy!

Also, I'm jealous of your more modern Garmin watch. Mine is grey LCD readout. Not nearly as nice.
I drove 4 or 5 hours for that ride. Got to where I started at about 5 pm. Realized I'd forgot to pack socks. And there's nowhere to buy a pair of socks in Twisp, WA, at 5 pm. There was a coffee shop kind of place open, though, and they had napkins. Sometimes you do what you gotta do. The scenery was fantastic though.
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