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Are there bad helmets out there that will not protect your noggin ?

Old 03-02-17, 10:06 AM
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Are there bad helmets out there that will not protect your noggin ?

Prices on helmets vary quite a bit. Seems to me aerodynamics and style are the factors that dictate prices of helmets.

If I go on the cheaper end, will my noggin be protected as well as the more expensive ones ?
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All the helmets in the U.S. are made to the same standards.


At the risk of getting the thread moved to A&S, it's debatable how much any of them protect your noggin.
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Old 03-02-17, 10:12 AM
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Sorry if I posted on the wrong board. Mods please move this thread to the appropriate board.
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Originally Posted by chopsteeks View Post
Prices on helmets vary quite a bit. Seems to me aerodynamics and style are the factors that dictate prices of helmets.

If I go on the cheaper end, will my noggin be protected as well as the more expensive ones ?
Get a Comfortable one as $$$ your budget allows.

My helmet cracked in two places a with a 16 mph crash.

The problem as with NasCar drivers is Your Brain moves inside the skull in a hard crash and gets Bruised.
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Helmets are pretty much all tested against the same ANSI/IEC requirement. And if they've passed, will provide (at least) a required minimum level of protection. What - If any - they provide beyond that is anybodys guess. At least it is very rarely published.

There can probably be helmets that are bad for you, due to fit issues.
Helmets also vary in quality WRT longevity of pads and buckles.
Some offer better ventilation. Some have visors etc.
But measurably poor protection shouldn't happen.

Helmets with MIPS have a certain advantage WRT rotational force. And do offer better protection for some impact scenarios.

Entirely uninteresting for anyone looking for a budget option is the Hovding, an inflatable helmet using airbag technology. For some impact scenarios it is several times better than ordinary helmets.
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anything is better than nothing, a leather football cap from 100yrs ago will help.

Run whats most comfortable and you like the looks of
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I think that a bigger concern is correct adjustment. At the skating rinks, many of the kids helmets are way out of adjustment. It's not easy to correctly adjust a helmet. And then there is strap slippage. Every one of my helmet's has chin strap slippage issues. Even rubber bands around the strap only slows it down.
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Old 03-02-17, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dabac View Post
Helmets are pretty much all tested against the same ANSI/IEC requirement. And if they've passed, will provide (at least) a required minimum level of protection.
Are you sure of that? I thought that they are manufactured (100% in China?) to meet a standard that presumes the helmets would pass the U.S. requirements IF tested. I doubt that many helmet manufacturers test any of the helmets they produce after perhaps an initial production run, if even then.

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More expensive helmets are lighter, have better cooling and better adjustments, generally. All protect to the same standards.
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Old 03-02-17, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Are you sure of that? I thought that they are manufactured to meet a standard that presumes the helmets would pass the requirements IF tested. I doubt that many helmet manufacturers test any of the helmets they produce after perhaps an initial production run, if even then.
Given the nature of this kind of helmets, a helmet can't be tested and then sold.
But yeah, each model claiming to be approved will have been tested before being released for sale. Approval is based on test, not design or simulation.

'Course, there's nothing preventing a shady manufacturer from simply faking it. As with any other norm or standard.
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Different makes and models of helmets fit differently. Sizing is also different. So to save as much money as possible, make sure you buy your helmet on line without first trying on different makes and models. That way, I will have something to shake my head at when I see you out there wearing a helmet a poorly fitting helmet. Wearing it backwards is a bonus.
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Spending more doesn't buy you better protection, it may get you better ventilation, possibly a better fit and be more aerodynamic but that's about it. I tend to go pretty cheap with my helmets.
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Originally Posted by dabac View Post
'Course, there's nothing preventing a shady manufacturer from simply faking it. As with any other norm or standard.
Heh. Volskwagen comes to mind.
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Old 03-02-17, 11:27 AM
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But yeah, each model claiming to be approved will have been tested before being released for sale. Approval is based on test, not design or simulation.
"Tested" and "approved" by whom?
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Are you sure of that? I thought that they are manufactured (100% in China?) to meet a standard that presumes the helmets would pass the U.S. requirements IF tested.
That is actually DOT (motorcycle) helmet standards. CPSC has a defined testing procedure and recordkeeping procedures to label bicycle helmets as certified: https://www.cpsc.gov/Business--Manuf...icycle-Helmets
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"Leather hair nets", were the race helmet, they have stopped being made, long ago..


generally, Old Ones..





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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
"Tested" and "approved" by whom?
Can't say how it's ALWAYS done.

But comparable equipment I've bought at work(I work with Gov't procurement), the manufacturers generally choose to have a neutral, 3rd party lab/testing facility do the more critical testing.
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Can't say how it's ALWAYS done.
I can: https://www.cpsc.gov/cgi-bin/labsearch/Default.aspx

I work in test engineering. We only go outside if we don't have equipment or are required to. CPSC seems to require approved labs, although they also have verbage about records keeping.

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
"Tested" and "approved" by whom?

LMGTFY


Your foil helmet needs adjustment.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
...I doubt that many helmet manufacturers test any of the helmets they produce after perhaps an initial production run, if even then.
Any ISO9000 approved manufacturing includes on-going quality tests. Actual production helmets are pulled from the line and tested to the spec with the dropping rig. No need to test each helmet.
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Just because helmets have to meet certain minimum standards does not mean that all helmets provide the same protection. One does not lead to the other.
If you care you need to research. The more expensive helmet is going to have better materials in the shell, multiple layers and types of foam, reinforcements to hold together after a crash, better attachment and adjustment, lighter, better ventilation. Could have more coverage, or a MIPs device.
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Originally Posted by Mr IGH View Post
Any ISO9000 approved manufacturing includes on-going quality tests. Actual production helmets are pulled from the line and tested to the spec with the dropping rig. No need to test each helmet.
Does the CPSC bicycle helmet certification include a requirement for an ISO9000 approved manufacturing process?
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Your foil helmet needs adjustment.
Sez the fellow who posts this testimonial to his faith in the integrity of the product testing process:

Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Heh. Volskwagen comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Are you sure of that? I thought that they are manufactured (100% in China?) to meet a standard that presumes the helmets would pass the U.S. requirements IF tested. I doubt that many helmet manufacturers test any of the helmets they produce after perhaps an initial production run, if even then.
They can't test every helmet off the line because as soon as you test one it's basically ruined. Bike helmets are only supposed to be used for just one crash, after that it needs replaced. So if they're going to test one under the same conditions it wouldn't be sold. But they can do all the testing before production and then make them to that standard or pick one off the line every so often and test it to make sure they're keeping the standard.

And yes, I agree that shady manufacturers could just claim they're meeting the standards when they're producing junk. Wouldn't be the first time products like that came from China.
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