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kickstart 03-22-17 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by badger1 (Post 19458933)
By the way, all the Cat 6 racers round here love that little phrase. Other current favourites: "Coming through" and "Hold your line."

Last time I was yelled at, it was on a MUT by a plus sized roadie at the bottom of a hill where it turns into a series of S turns through the trees. She was in the drops, pedaling ferociously, and almost screaming "hold your line", "hold your line". I just stopped at the edge of the pavement ready to bail out, and she yelled something "F***ing"+ something incomprehensible as she flew by.
I was just dumbstruck, what kind of person goes that fast on a narrow MUT, through S turns with limited sight lines on a busy summer weekend, and has the nerve to yell at people?

wphamilton 03-22-17 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by BlazingPedals (Post 19458931)
It's only law when on a sidewalk or a path. OP wasn't. On the road, bikes are treated as vehicles, and it's not required to warn another vehicle when passing from behind. Or at least, most of those 1910 laws have been taken off the books.

I agree with the last.

Not that it matters much and may be a little OT, but I've been looking for an ordinance that make these rules "law". For some reason, I just want to know for sure whether, locally, it's actually a law to keep right, announce yourself, etc or simply etiquette.

The closest I've found is statute noting vaguely that "the rules of Alpharetta parks" are attached to an Ordinance. (#286). But the kicker is that those rules, when I find them specifically, don't include all of the "rules" I see posted on the park signs! The only "official" one there relating to bikes is the speed limit. So I think that announcing, and keep right and clear the path when stopped as well, are just suggested courtesies after all, and not any sort of law.

Scarbo 03-22-17 08:50 AM

I like to be different. I yell, On your right!

badger1 03-22-17 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by kickstart (Post 19459279)
Last time I was yelled at, it was on a MUT by a plus sized roadie at the bottom of a hill where it turns into a series of S turns through the trees. She was in the drops, pedaling ferociously, and almost screaming "hold your line", "hold your line". I just stopped at the edge of the pavement ready to bail out, and she yelled something "F***ing"+ something incomprehensible as she flew by.
I was just dumbstruck, what kind of person goes that fast on a narrow MUT, through S turns with limited sight lines on a busy summer weekend, and has the nerve to yell at people?

ikr?

Unlike the OP, however, I consider these little encounters with idiocy on the MUP comedic moments to be treasured, provided they don't result -- as they sometimes do -- in the frightening of or an injury to a little boy or girl on a tricycle or other innocent parties.

italktocats 03-22-17 10:34 AM

maybe the people who get yelled at get yelled at for a reason or are the yellers in cars? ;)(

Camilo 03-22-17 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by 10 Wheels (Post 19453910)
It is a courtesy thing trying to prevent an accident.

Once had a rider do that and he said "There is 18 more".

It was 25 MPH Pace line of riders.

Do you use a mirror?

Oh boy, two winners: "on your left" and "mirrors"

May I add headphones?

. :crash:

one4smoke 03-22-17 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by kickstart (Post 19459279)
Last time I was yelled at, it was on a MUT by a plus sized roadie at the bottom of a hill where it turns into a series of S turns through the trees. She was in the drops, pedaling ferociously, and almost screaming "hold your line", "hold your line". I just stopped at the edge of the pavement ready to bail out, and she yelled something "F***ing"+ something incomprehensible as she flew by.
I was just dumbstruck, what kind of person goes that fast on a narrow MUT, through S turns with limited sight lines on a busy summer weekend, and has the nerve to yell at people?

Knowing me, I'd probably have chased her down and got to the bottom of what exactly her problem was. :notamused:

nycphotography 03-22-17 10:57 AM

^ srsly? you're one of those?

kickstart 03-22-17 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by one4smoke (Post 19459720)
Knowing me, I'd probably have chased her down and got to the bottom of what exactly her problem was. :notamused:

Thing is, I'm 6' 220 lbs, and it looked like she had a significant size advantage over me. It was like being charged at by an angry bull......

nycphotography 03-22-17 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by kickstart (Post 19460038)
Thing is, I'm 6" 220 lbs, and it looked like she had a significant size advantage over me. It was like being charged at by an angry bull......

I imagine so, wee-man.

kickstart 03-22-17 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by nycphotography (Post 19460057)
I imagine so, wee-man.

:p:lol: Forgot to mention that was after she ran me over........
Fixed it.

one4smoke 03-22-17 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by kickstart (Post 19460038)
Thing is, I'm 6" 220 lbs, and it looked like she had a significant size advantage over me. It was like being charged at by an angry bull......

Ha! You sure it was a "she?" You never know these days...

BlazingPedals 03-22-17 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 19459292)
Not that it matters much and may be a little OT, but I've been looking for an ordinance that make these rules "law". For some reason, I just want to know for sure whether, locally, it's actually a law to keep right, announce yourself, etc or simply etiquette.

The closest I've found is statute noting vaguely that "the rules of Alpharetta parks" are attached to an Ordinance. (#286). But the kicker is that those rules, when I find them specifically, don't include all of the "rules" I see posted on the park signs! The only "official" one there relating to bikes is the speed limit. So I think that announcing, and keep right and clear the path when stopped as well, are just suggested courtesies after all, and not any sort of law.

For sidewalks, in Michigan:
Section 257.660c

(1) "An individual operating a bicycle upon a sidewalk or a pedestrian crosswalk shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and shall give an audible signal before overtaking and passing a pedestrian."


So, Signaling on a sidewalk is a state law, and presumably most states have similar laws. I'm not aware of a state law concerning paths, unless of course someone wants to make the assertion that a 'path' is a 'sidewalk.' Usually the signaling 'law' on a path is just a park rule.

kickstart 03-22-17 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by one4smoke (Post 19460377)
Ha! You sure it was a "she?" You never know these days...

Yes, for sure, she just happened to be big and loud.

coominya 03-22-17 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by jefnvk (Post 19454022)
I rarely pass people who are focused and actually cycling, now that I think of it. IF that really broke your solitude, though, a public road probably isn't the place for you.

That's what I was thinking. If you go into lala land while riding on the road that's not a good thing. Best keep all the antenna up and scanning.

Chuck Naill 03-22-17 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Machka (Post 19458927)
Some of us ride in all sorts of different situations. Best to be prepared for anything if at all possible. Mirrors do help ... not wearing ear buds also helps. :)



Is that why you wear a gold crown? :lol:

Machka 03-22-17 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Chuck Naill (Post 19460552)
Is that why you wear a gold crown? :lol:

Uh ... no.

There's a story behind that which I've recounted elsewhere. :)

Chuck Naill 03-23-17 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by Machka (Post 19461185)
Uh ... no.

There's a story behind that which I've recounted elsewhere. :)



I can imagine hearing, "crown on your left/ight". :foo:


Maybe it would be prudent to scream "cyclist approaching from rear" followed by "on your left" then ending with "cyclist has passed". This would alert anyone who is weaving, half asleep, and going pitifully slow of what they are about to encounter. :D


Another question, who hear likes to have a motorist blow their horn before passing? To me yelling and screaming on your left is as intrusive as blowing horns and as unnecessary. :foo:


I am seriously thinking about a hand held air horn so I can respond accordingly showing my appreciation for these gestures. :thumb:

shelbyfv 03-23-17 06:16 AM

By all means, get a horn if that will help give you peace. Maybe a flag on a stick, a mirror and some extra flashers. It can be tough out there, be safe!

jefnvk 03-23-17 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by Chuck Naill (Post 19461616)
Another question, who hear likes to have a motorist blow their horn before passing? To me yelling and screaming on your left is as intrusive as blowing horns and as unnecessary. :foo:

I consider the engine of a car, which I can hear approaching, to be far more intrusive than a simple "on your left". But, it is part of being on the road, so I deal. At this point, I'd seriously suggest you buy a nice plot of land somewhere like Montana, and build your own paths. Then, you don't have to deal with anyone bothering your solitude with three words.

Another real world scenario where it is nice for the bike in front to know you are passing: maybe they actually are a very serious and focused cyclist, who just happens to be able to see a hazard that you can't. There is certainly never any pothole dodging in Michigan.

Phil_gretz 03-23-17 01:41 PM

Two Quick Points...
 
I once had a girl lean from the passenger window of a pickup truck say, "on your left" as they passed. I was in the drops, descending slightly through a rolling-hill section, and cruising. That was cool. I smiled and waved.


My other reaction to the OP is that around here, there are road riders and there are path riders. Road riders are battle worn, unflappable, and purpose driven. Generally commuters or racers, they don't get passed much, and have seen it all. Path riders come in a wide variety of skill and temperament levels... [shrugs]

rumrunn6 03-23-17 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Phil_gretz (Post 19462893)
girl lean from the passenger window of a pickup truck

love girls who shout from cars. once had a cpl of them shout at me as I was starting a big climb commuting home: "woohoo! yeah! keep going! you can do it!" :love:

nycphotography 03-23-17 02:55 PM

Doing the LaGrange Nichols ride in LA, near the top of the climb, right before the steep part up onto Mulholland, there were a couple girls in a SUV watching. As we went by one called out "you guys are studs". lol

Chuck Naill 03-23-17 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by jefnvk (Post 19461832)
I consider the engine of a car, which I can hear approaching, to be far more intrusive than a simple "on your left". But, it is part of being on the road, so I deal. At this point, I'd seriously suggest you buy a nice plot of land somewhere like Montana, and build your own paths. Then, you don't have to deal with anyone bothering your solitude with three words.

Another real world scenario where it is nice for the bike in front to know you are passing: maybe they actually are a very serious and focused cyclist, who just happens to be able to see a hazard that you can't. There is certainly never any pothole dodging in Michigan.



So, your position is that I must just learn to endure the nonsensical practices of yelling for no reason or move to an isolated area.


For the same reason you find engines intrusive, I find yelling as intrusive. I cannot do anything about motors but perhaps more cyclists will be less intrusive on a two lane road with more than plenty of room to pass without getting anywhere near the other cyclists they are overtaking. After all, the same cyclists being overtaken has had dozens of cars successfully navigate around without shouting or screaming their intentions.


That said, I hope to see the cyclist wearing a gold crown come around soon acting as hysterical as needed to get my attention.

SHiZNiLTi 03-23-17 04:21 PM

The worst is when you do this and that person has headphones in then drifts towards you as your passing.


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