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Old 05-19-17, 01:24 PM
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Just looked at pics of the Z85. It doesn't especially look like and endurance frame to me. More like a road racing frame, hence the twitchiness.
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Old 05-19-17, 01:33 PM
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The offer to put you on a trainer and try to alter the fit by changing components is a fairly standard offer for when you buy a new bike. Most stock bikes need a bit of it and getting the parts 'at cost' takes some of the sting out of it. I think it's nice that they're offering this a few years after the sale, and I'd recommend doing it.

Or, I could always use the "R" word, since the hybrid is only a guess, too; and the hybrid will cause numb hands worse than drop bars will.
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Old 05-19-17, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoroman View Post
You'd be surprised what a shorter stem,
I can second this. I felt pretty similar to OP on my road bike. I'm new to road bikes so I just thought it wasn't supposed to be comfortable. Then I went in for a fitting, they put on a shorter stem, raised the seat a bit and actually removed a spacer on the steering tube. It feels amazing now... completely the opposite of what I was thinking.
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Old 05-19-17, 01:58 PM
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Some random thoughts...

I, too, think core weakness and less than ideal technique are more likely to make your hands numb than poor fit. at least that's how I'm addressing my own numb hands problem....

If a shorter stem and higher rise will solve your problem, the $150 is a LOT less than you'll spend in selling the Felt and buying a hybrid.

Parts are almost all interchangeable. Why are you using the shop that didn't give you much help 4 years ago? Why not use an LBS that's much closer and more service oriented?

IMO, brand loyalty for frames is not a good idea. Each brand produces frames with slightly different geometries. I'd buy the brand that fits me best in my budget. IOW, I suggest going to some really local bike shops and test riding everything that looks interesting.

I thought I needed flat bars a year or 2 ago. One test ride was enough to tell me I hated the experience. I use the drops very little, and I certainly can't go fast, but I'll stick with my dropped bars.

Wider bars could make the Felt a little less twitchy, but not necessarily. It depends on how steady you keep the steering and how broad your shoulders are. More miles on the Felt make make the steering less twitchy, too.

Good luck! I hope you find a bike that makes you want to ride.
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Old 05-19-17, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rider View Post
sell it, even at a loss.

buy something more comfortable with wider tires
^This would be my advice as well.
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Old 05-19-17, 03:05 PM
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I had the same experience as you. My first "real" road bike was the exact bike you quoted, a felt z85. I was NEVER comfortable on it. It measured ~ a 56cm and even though I can ride that now, I was never comfortable on the felt. My hands went numb constantly and I just really didn't like the bike.

Fast forward to today. I now own a dozen bikes all of which I'm comfortable on to varying degrees. My hands no longer go numb because I'm on different bikes.

Maybe it's just something with that felt.
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Old 05-19-17, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
So a few years ago I bought a new road bike after much research and thought. Forty years away from cycling.
Bought a Felt Z85, really like the look of it and it seemed like it was well specced and a good value.

Fast forward a couple of years - I almost never ride it, I can't seem to build any confidence, the front end is nervous and twitchy - more so than the old school bikes I am used to. My hands go numb so the most I ride is about 10 miles even with experiments in rolling the bars back a bit and constantly changing from top of bars to hoods, etc. Also worth noting that I wear 3 zone progressive lenses and they force an awkward position of head and neck.
Can you post a photo of the bicycle and another photo of you standing next to the bicycle or (even better) on the bicycle?

That would give us a better idea of what the bicycle looks like in terms of fit.
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Old 05-19-17, 07:51 PM
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Something to think about,
A drop bar road bike is basically limits one to drop bars. A flat bat bike allows one to choose from a wide selection of bars other than flat bars.

I hate flat bars, but will take trekking, northroad, mustache, pourter, luttewasser, or dutch bars over drops any day.
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Old 05-19-17, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by corrado33 View Post
I had the same experience as you. My first "real" road bike was the exact bike you quoted, a felt z85. I was NEVER comfortable on it. It measured ~ a 56cm and even though I can ride that now, I was never comfortable on the felt. My hands went numb constantly and I just really didn't like the bike.
Verrrry interesting... <arte johnson voice>
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Old 05-19-17, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals View Post
I think it's nice that they're offering this a few years after the sale, and I'd recommend doing it.
They are so nice they're planning to charge me $50 for it! lol
They are a nice shop - and seem to have a very good rep and following - especially with a race / triathlon crowd - but at time of purchase they were very laid back and I don't recall any input at all on the fit of the bike beyond the most basic "you're a 54".
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Old 05-19-17, 08:43 PM
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The OP is past his best before race bike days. SELL the damn nuisance.
Time for an old fashioned IGH roadster with dutch bars. Even better if it has drum brakes that won't need service the rest of his life.
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Old 05-19-17, 08:54 PM
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Ah - so, from several of the responses I've gleaned the notion that part of the bike feeling twitchy may be because of the time I'm spending on the tops of the bars. Hands closer in, more nervous steering.

Regarding a shorter stem I'm a bit concerned that it may not be much of a change. The 54 comes with a 90mm stem and the shortest Felt stem is an 80mm. The stem calculator I looked at says that's effectively only going to be 8mm difference. Yes, I realize I don't have to use a Felt stem but then I'm introducing different angles and, short of having 6-8 different stems to try out that seems a bit of a crap shoot.
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Old 05-19-17, 09:00 PM
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At 5'8" you may be more comfortable on a 52 than a 54.
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Old 05-19-17, 09:45 PM
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Fwiw, I'm 5'7", a bit long in my torso, and I'm riding a Ridley Fenix (endurance racing) in small, which comes out to a 52.

If the standover height is ok, maybe look at a zero setback seatpost, along with a shorter stem, and that might get you quite a bit closer to what you want.

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Old 05-19-17, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
Regarding a shorter stem I'm a bit concerned that it may not be much of a change. The 54 comes with a 90mm stem and the shortest Felt stem is an 80mm. The stem calculator I looked at says that's effectively only going to be 8mm difference. Yes, I realize I don't have to use a Felt stem but then I'm introducing different angles and, short of having 6-8 different stems to try out that seems a bit of a crap shoot.
What you need is this:

Ritchey Adjustable Stem | Chain Reaction Cycles

80mm, +40 to -32

Use it to figure out what you like, then get one that matches. I did this, lowering it a few degrees every week, until I bilt enough core to not need it and then put the stem back on that the builder intended me to have on it.


Also, raising the stack hight makes for effectively a shorter stem, so that is another option.
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Old 05-20-17, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
Just looked at pics of the Z85. It doesn't especially look like and endurance frame to me. More like a road racing frame, hence the twitchiness.

Hmmm - I have a totally different experience than the OP.
About 3 years ago I was looking for a hybrid to start cycling to get into better shape.
But instead of purchasing a hybrid, I figured I just jump right in and buy a CAAD10 (size 52) - it was priced right and I really liked it.

After a while I decided that I wanted something a bit more endurance-oriented, and also something that was a little heavier and less twitchy...so I bought a Felt Z85 (size 54). I'm 5'6"...both bikes fit nicely. I don't find the Felt to be twitchy at all.

So I'm not really understanding the "twitchy" ride...except that it's all a matter of perspective.


I think a good bike fit and getting yourself a bit more in shape will go a long way to being more comfortable.
But if your heart is really just set on a hybrid, I'd go along with what others have said and just trade in the Felt for a hybrid of your liking.
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Old 05-20-17, 10:06 AM
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yeap, I discovered I can't climb on drop bars worth a dam even though my road bike is half the weight of the mtn bike. I believe it's because the much wider straight bars of the mtn bike just offers a better climbing position. and I've had a few crashes now on the road bike because of the brake positions. I'm new to road bikes.
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Except it is much narrower and offers no access to the shifters. And not even the brakes unless you have or add interrupter levers. So it is quite a bit different.


And really, if you never use the drops why have 'em?
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Old 05-20-17, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Stratocaster View Post
Hmmm - I have a totally different experience than the OP.
About 3 years ago I was looking for a hybrid to start cycling to get into better shape.
But instead of purchasing a hybrid, I figured I just jump right in and buy a CAAD10 (size 52) - it was priced right and I really liked it.

After a while I decided that I wanted something a bit more endurance-oriented, and also something that was a little heavier and less twitchy...so I bought a Felt Z85 (size 54). I'm 5'6"...both bikes fit nicely. I don't find the Felt to be twitchy at all.

So I'm not really understanding the "twitchy" ride...except that it's all a matter of perspective.


I think a good bike fit and getting yourself a bit more in shape will go a long way to being more comfortable.
But if your heart is really just set on a hybrid, I'd go along with what others have said and just trade in the Felt for a hybrid of your liking.
I wouldn't give up on the Felt just yet. There has to be a way to fit it better.
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Originally Posted by deex View Post
At 5'8" you may be more comfortable on a 52 than a 54.
I am 5'8" and I ride a 55 cm frame. I can't imagine going down to a 52, but then again, everybody is different.
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
Ah - so, from several of the responses I've gleaned the notion that part of the bike feeling twitchy may be because of the time I'm spending on the tops of the bars. Hands closer in, more nervous steering.

Regarding a shorter stem I'm a bit concerned that it may not be much of a change. The 54 comes with a 90mm stem and the shortest Felt stem is an 80mm. The stem calculator I looked at says that's effectively only going to be 8mm difference. Yes, I realize I don't have to use a Felt stem but then I'm introducing different angles and, short of having 6-8 different stems to try out that seems a bit of a crap shoot.
A good bike shop would do this for you until it was right. From what you say, I wonder if the bike shop wasn't a good fit for you. Not that they are a bad bike shop, but rather, a bike shop for serious roadies and tri athletes looking to squeeze a few minutes or seconds out of a big race might not be the best for someone coming back to cycling after a hiatus.
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Old 05-20-17, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
I am 5'8" and I ride a 55 cm frame. I can't imagine going down to a 52, but then again, everybody is different.
I think that when I rode the smaller frame (51 or 52 I forget) I felt like I was towering over the bike - which seems to me to be just a part of modern frame design but I've not studied the subject enough to have anything other than a suspicion about it.
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Originally Posted by corrado33 View Post
I had the same experience as you. My first "real" road bike was the exact bike you quoted, a felt z85. I was NEVER comfortable on it. It measured ~ a 56cm and even though I can ride that now, I was never comfortable on the felt. My hands went numb constantly and I just really didn't like the bike.

Fast forward to today. I now own a dozen bikes all of which I'm comfortable on to varying degrees. My hands no longer go numb because I'm on different bikes.

Maybe it's just something with that felt.

The one thing I DID do to my Felt Z85 was put on a different seat. Yes, I have to admit that with the original seat I was quite uncomfortable on the bike.
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Old 05-20-17, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rgconner View Post
Thanks. I'll have to look for something similar - the Felt uses a 31.8mm clamp.
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Originally Posted by Stratocaster View Post
The one thing I DID do to my Felt Z85 was put on a different seat. Yes, I have to admit that with the original seat I was quite uncomfortable on the bike.
There is nothing for me to like about the stock seat. I've just been assuming it was me needing to spend more time on it. I have a brand new Selle Italia gel on another bike here that I can try. Can't do any harm.
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
Thanks. I'll have to look for something similar - the Felt uses a 31.8mm clamp.
https://www.amazon.com/Kalloy-Adjust...QVGB3G3RF0FR97
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