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Old 05-20-17, 09:33 PM
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Thanks - unfortunately that's a 90mm stem - same as what came on the Felt. Lets me play with rise anyway which does also shorten reach a little. The only other Kalloy I could find is 110mm.
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
Thanks - unfortunately that's a 90mm stem - same as what came on the Felt. Lets me play with rise anyway which does also shorten reach a little. The only other Kalloy I could find is 110mm.
With stems there is length, and EFFECTIVE length. It is 90mm if it near 0 degrees, but as you move to the upper or lower bounds it is EFFECTIVELY longer or shorter.

By moving spacers up and down you can vary that effective reach as well. Once you use an adjustable stem to figure out where it is most comfortable for you, then you get a fixed stem to match it.

Or keep moving it down a few degrees each week until you build the core strength you need.

80mm, 31.8 version of the Ritchey, which is a very secure mechanism:

https://www.amazon.com/Ritchey-Adjus.../dp/B00G2FYOTA
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Originally Posted by rgconner View Post
With stems there is length, and EFFECTIVE length. It is 90mm if it near 0 degrees, but as you move to the upper or lower bounds it is EFFECTIVELY longer or shorter.
Which is why I said as much in my post.

Originally Posted by rgconner View Post
80mm, 31.8 version of the Ritchey, which is a very secure mechanism:
Unfortunately very expensive. Cheapest one there is $89.xx. More than 2x the other Ritchey adjustable stems.
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Old 05-21-17, 09:43 AM
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Yeah it cracks me up that Kalloy Uno might cost $12-$32 depending on source, and some people sell stems which are no stronger and no light for three times the money.

Anyway, someone might advise that the OP go on EBay and buy a couple $10-$15 stems and swap things around.

Also ... if the bars are 25.6 or whatever you can buy shims.
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
Unfortunately he passed on before we had the opportunity to ride together.


The shop where it was purchased was the only Felt dealer within an hour of me at that time. Their approach to fitting was simply based on height. I'm 5'8" and tried a 52 and a 54 riding circles in their parking lot - it's a highway location. There was no measurement, no assessment of fore-and-aft or trainer or anything like that. They've now offered (at a cost) to put me and the bike on a trainer and see if they can improve things.
I'm 67 and 5'9" and find a 54 frame to be my max... but I suffer from short legs/long torso so smaller frames introduce other problems. Biggest surprise I read in your posts is that your shop did not do a comprehensive fitting when you bought the Felt; I have always assumed it was a standard to provide this free with a new purchase). I'd try hard to get them to help you dial in your fit. With 30 minutes on a trainer they should be able to diagnose your hand problems. I also have some hand numbness but I attribute it to multiple hand surgeries over the years; and I manage it with frequent position changes that drop bars give more than any other. And I also utilize progressive lens eyeglasses so I understand your head position/neck issues. All of which should be elements in a good fitting session.

When I returned to cycling in 2013 after a 35 year hiatus I was drawn by the totally new look and feel of the bikes and the incredibly different ride characteristics. The twitchy front end had both great liveliness as well as tremendous fear and loathing. A few hundred miles of conditioning made most of that go away. Fine tuning saddle height and fore/aft positioning from my initial fit helped immensely. And the constant search for the next tweek is, for me, part of the joy of the sport.

If I were you (and it seems I was for a while) I wouldn't give up on the Felt until you have exhausted your fit options. As many here have pointed out, there are huge changes possible in mere millimeters... a stem change of 10 or 15 mm can be huge. And changing bar height relative to saddle can be the difference between sadness and euphoria (a nod to Billy Joel). After a double metric century last summer my ride companion complained of his back and neck pain. I asked why he rode with such a long stem in the flattened position. He had no idea that his stem could be reversed. He has been in that euphoria place ever since.

Hang in there... Good luck.
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Old 05-21-17, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
I agree. You might simply not like the bike---it might be the wrong bike for you. Or .....

Every time I take a break from riding (Illness or injury) I hate my bikes for a while. I know I am supposed to support my weight with my legs and hold myself up with my stomach and back ... but simply cannot.

I start small, suffer a little, and gain strength. After some amount of time, the bikes feel really comfortable.

When my butt hurts or hands go numb, I know my legs are tired and I am getting lazy.
This is so true, and it took me a couple of years to figure out myself.
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Old 05-21-17, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
Which is why I said as much in my post.


Unfortunately very expensive. Cheapest one there is $89.xx. More than 2x the other Ritchey adjustable stems.

I have yet to find an online bike store with anywhere near as comprehensive a range as Bike24, and they have a 90mm Ritchey Adjustable Stem (-55 to +55 degrees) for Euro29.33.


If you are not logged in, you will see the price + VAT of 19%, which you don't have to pay if you live outside of the EU/UK.


Bike24 have a flat transport fee, whether you buy one item or 10 items, so it always works out best if you can buy other items you need/want as well, as their pricing is always very competitive.
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Old 05-21-17, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
I have yet to find an online bike store with anywhere near as comprehensive a range as Bike24, and they have a 90mm Ritchey Adjustable Stem (-55 to +55 degrees) for Euro29.33.


If you are not logged in, you will see the price + VAT of 19%, which you don't have to pay if you live outside of the EU/UK.


Bike24 have a flat transport fee, whether you buy one item or 10 items, so it always works out best if you can buy other items you need/want as well, as their pricing is always very competitive.
It seems many cycling related items are significantly cheaper in Europe, with a lot more variety as they're nowhere near as focused on the sport aspect of cycling as here in NA.
Even with shipping, I typically save a fair amount of money.
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Old 05-21-17, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
I have yet to find an online bike store with anywhere near as comprehensive a range as Bike24, and they have a 90mm Ritchey Adjustable Stem (-55 to +55 degrees) for Euro29.33.


If you are not logged in, you will see the price + VAT of 19%, which you don't have to pay if you live outside of the EU/UK.
Actually you can select your country on the top and then it shows you accurate pricing without having an account or logging in.

Stem plus shipping US$55.15. Better than $89 but still expensive for an experiment.

Using a stem comparison tool I found online I could bring the bars a maximum of 48mm closer and 36mm higher compared to the original Felt. Be interesting anyway.
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Old 05-21-17, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
Actually you can select your country on the top and then it shows you accurate pricing without having an account or logging in.

Stem plus shipping US$55.15. Better than $89 but still expensive for an experiment.

Using a stem comparison tool I found online I could bring the bars a maximum of 48mm closer and 36mm higher compared to the original Felt. Be interesting anyway.
Their shipping for a single item can be a bit of an annoyance, but if you need say tyres or tubes or brake pads or other things, you will find getting multiple things so much better.
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Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
It seems many cycling related items are significantly cheaper in Europe, with a lot more variety as they're nowhere near as focused on the sport aspect of cycling as here in NA.
Even with shipping, I typically save a fair amount of money.
Yep.


At first I was just pleased with how much money I could save, but then as I got more into cycling/utility cycling over the last 3 years, it dawned on me that they have heaps of great items that I had never seen before.
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Old 05-22-17, 11:58 AM
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I have not been on BF for a bit and just noticed your post. I just converted my wife's ZW85 to a flat bar and it made a huge difference for her. She just could not get used to the drop bar after 3 years and made her not want to ride it. The only thing I didn't expect to have to change was the rear derailleur.
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Old 05-22-17, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by daviddavieboy View Post
I have not been on BF for a bit and just noticed your post. I just converted my wife's ZW85 to a flat bar and it made a huge difference for her. She just could not get used to the drop bar after 3 years and made her not want to ride it. The only thing I didn't expect to have to change was the rear derailleur.
Any idea what your total expenditure was for this conversion? Curious as to why you had to change the rear derailleur when Shimano make flat bar shifters for the 105?
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Any idea what your total expenditure was for this conversion? Curious as to why you had to change the rear derailleur when Shimano make flat bar shifters for the 105?
I got the shifters, brake levers as new take off parts from a mountain bike for $50, the derailleur was 45, and the bar+grips was used for $20. These are Canadian prices.
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Originally Posted by daviddavieboy View Post
I got the shifters, brake levers as new take off parts from a mountain bike for $50, the derailleur was 45, and the bar+grips was used for $20. These are Canadian prices.
What size tires are on there?
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post

Friend with a hybrid (who rides rail trails) says I made a mistake and should have bought a hybrid.
Perhaps he was right? I ride road on hybrids and they are great exercise machines. Slower, but with their wider tires they are more surefooted. The other day I came up behind a group ride that was bunched up at a red light in an industrial area. I just went up a driveway, around a short dirt track and on my way. It took them quite a few minutes to pass me again, hybrids aren't that slow.

I think the most important part of cycling is getting out there and riding, What bike you ride is irrelevant, just ride.
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What size tires are on there?
the rims are 700c with 25mm armadillo tires. No room for anything larger though
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Perhaps he was right? I ride road on hybrids and they are great exercise machines. Slower, but with their wider tires they are more surefooted.
I think the most important part of cycling is getting out there and riding, What bike you ride is irrelevant, just ride.
I'm strongly leaning towards a hybrid with 3-4 models under consideration. Might still change the Z85 fit and keep it, not sure.
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Having a hard time finding these locally but considering the following models in a hybrid / fitness bike:

Cannondale Quick Disc 3.
Felt Verza Speed 30.
Fuji Absolute 1.3
Specialized Sirrus Sport.

Seems like there is a shop about 1:45hrs from me that is likely to have 2-3 of these in stock but locally I'm striking out - seem to be finding above and below but not exact matches.
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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
Having a hard time finding these locally but considering the following models in a hybrid / fitness bike:

Cannondale Quick Disc 3.
Felt Verza Speed 30.
Fuji Absolute 1.3
Specialized Sirrus Sport.
These are hybrids, but just. They are actually classified as flat bar road bikes and a lot of that comes from the tire size, 28mm. You might want to consider some other bikes in you list as well, ones with wider tires. I only say this because of your references to twitchy steering. That comes from the steeper geometry for sure but also from tire size. perhaps you could test ride two separate bikes at the same shop, one like the Fuji 1.3 and one with much wider tires? Don't worry about the tires slowing you down either, running high pressures makes them almost the same so the science has shown.
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Yeah, my Giant Cypress is promoted as a flat bar (or upright) road bike. I've always though of it as a hybrid.
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Originally Posted by coominya View Post
These are hybrids, but just. They are actually classified as flat bar road bikes and a lot of that comes from the tire size, 28mm. You might want to consider some other bikes in you list as well, ones with wider tires.
Cannondale Quick Disc 3: 700 x 30
Felt Verza Speed 30: 700 x 32
Fuji Absolute 1.3: 700 x 28
Sirrus Elite Sport: 700 x 32

Trust me, tire size is going to weigh heavily in any purchase decisions.

Edit: the line between flat bar road bike, fitness, and hybrid is so blurry the terms are nothing more than marketing-speak. Manufacturers list bikes under multiple categories and use language and terminology strictly in their own self-interests. The descriptions on their sites are pure fantasy and the web sites, on the whole, are pretty awful.

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Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
Having a hard time finding these locally but considering the following models in a hybrid / fitness bike:

Cannondale Quick Disc 3.
Felt Verza Speed 30.
Fuji Absolute 1.3
Specialized Sirrus Sport.

Seems like there is a shop about 1:45hrs from me that is likely to have 2-3 of these in stock but locally I'm striking out - seem to be finding above and below but not exact matches.
You can guess, but you won't know for sure how a bike feels until you ride it. Ideally this means, maybe a couple of test rides of 15, 20 or even 30 minutes, maybe with the bike shop making adjustments before sending you back out on more test rides. Sadly, you didn't get this treatment when you bought your Felt.

Before you go off and buy something, find a local shop that will take the time to address your likes and dislikes, and see what they suggest. Maybe they can remedy your problems with some mods to the old bike, maybe they have a bike that better suits your riding style.
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You can guess, but you won't know for sure how a bike feels until you ride it.
Curious where you got the idea that any of this is a guessing game or that a purchase will be considered without riding several bikes?
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If you are convinced that you have to do something now before gaining fitness, flexibility, strength and bike proofing your butt, in order to be able to ride in order to gain fitness, etc...

I would suggest getting the hybrid instead of cannibalizing the Felt.

Odds are, after a few months to a year when you have achieved your goal of "improved fitness and health", you may end up back on the Felt.

Either way, get out there and ride. Lots of this stuff becomes much clearer once you have some miles and experience.

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