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Old 05-24-17, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by elcruxio View Post
Well, this only really works in one pelvic orientation. The "buttometer" which measures the ischial tuberosities works if you sit with your pelvis relatively upright. This does not mean however that one would need to ride upright since some people then bend forward at the back and not the pelvis. However if you're not a rider with that pelvic orientation and instead bend forward at the pelvis and not the back, the width of ischial tuberosities starts to have less relevance. This is mainly the reason why I should ride a saddle of minimum of 155mm in width, at least according to the buttometer, but now ride a saddle which is 135mm wide and could probably go even narrower.

Also what you are not addressing at all in this post or other posts in this thread is other issues which may crop up from a "too comfortable" saddle, namely numbness in the genitalia. If you're lucky you can ride saddles which have enough padding to remove all pain, but simultaneosly do not chafe or cause numbness. I have a couple of seats which are in the zero pain category but for me are quite numbness inducing. However if you are not lucky, you need a saddle which has less padding to compress the tissues in the nether regions to eliminate numbness. These saddles are painful initially as the skin and other tissues need to get acclimatized to compression.
And if you're very unlucky, like me, you can kiss conventional saddles goodbye and need to use something a bit weird looking, like an ISM. Now I'm not complaining, the ISM is as close to saddle Nirvana as I've ever gotten to, but it also requires some getting used to since I'm now sitting on parts which have never experienced pressure and are thus quite in distress after longer rides.
I don't think getting a 'measurement' per se is necessary. But, it's best to try at least one saddle in the 3 basic widths as I listed. This can be accomplished by going on a few test rides as an alternative.

I haven't written about this, but yes, I have ridden saddles which I considered to be "too cushy." I did not encounter numbness however. What I did experience at least subjectively, was a drop in pedaling efficiency. I felt like I was bobbing in/on the saddle, and it seemed as if I wasn't getting maximum, or even average efficiency while riding this saddle. It was very disappointing since it was quite comfortable otherwise.

Oddly, once I took the saddle off and gave it a charmin squeeze, it didn't seem all that pliable compared to other saddles. But when pedaling, I felt like it was sucking energy. But no, no numbness as a result.

I think one person brought this up, maybe a couple. Perhaps it's the clydes who are having some of these problems of "sinking into" a saddle or experiencing numbness. FYI, I weigh 165 lbs.

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Old 05-24-17, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by speshelite View Post
I haven't written about this, but yes, I have ridden saddles which I considered to be "too cushy." I did not encounter numbness however. What I did experience at least subjectively, was a drop in pedaling efficiency. I felt like I was bobbing in/on the saddle, and it seemed as if I wasn't getting maximum, or even average efficiency while riding this saddle. It was very disappointing since it was quite comfortable otherwise.

Oddly, once I took the saddle off and gave it a charmin squeeze, it didn't seem all that pliable compared to other saddles. But when pedaling, I felt like it was sucking energy. But no, no numbness as a result.

I think one person brought this up, maybe a couple. Perhaps it's the clydes who are having some of these problems of "sinking into" a saddle or experiencing numbness. FYI, I weigh 165 lbs.
Whether you get numbness or not may also have something to do how you're wired down there. There are at least a few variations we know of how the veins run in the pelvic floor. It's likely you have plumbing that is not as easily affected as someone who has a different variant of vein locations.
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Old 05-24-17, 04:18 PM
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If you are a first-time rider, any saddle will make you sore. It always takes 2 or 3 weeks to get used to sitting on a saddle. As a new rider you will not be able to tell the difference between a good saddle and a bad one that easily.

Saddles come in a wide variety of shapes, sizes, and designs, just like people do. Even a bad saddle can be tolerable if you ride enough, but a good saddle makes a big difference to the overall comfort you feel when you ride.

Like many others, I recommend the Brooks saddle, the B17 being the best one all-around. I have been riding for decades, and have done a fair amount of racing. I have tried many kinds of saddles, from the venerable Selle Italia Flite, the the Selle San Marco Concors, to the Specialized Body Geometry types. These are all comfortable saddles, provided you wear quality cycling shorts. I've put tens of thousands of miles on these saddles, wearing the leather covering off of some of them.

I used to think that the Brooks saddles were for old hippies who rode randonneur bikes, and avoided them for that reason. I didn't buy one for myself until the fixie craze a few years back, when Brooks became more popular. When I first sat on the B17, it was hard and round, and not as comfortable as the other saddles I had tried, but after a month of riding, it became comfortable, and became more comfortable over time. Now it is far and away the most comfortable saddle I have ever used (after riding on dozens of different saddles).

The opinion that a good saddle should feel comfortable immediately is wrong. If you sit on a new beach cruiser saddle, it will be very comfortable, but try taking that saddle for a 100 mile ride and see how it feels (I have done it).

I have put Brooks saddles on all of my bicycles, the B17 is the only saddle which I can endure long ride on without needing cycling shorts. I strongly recommend them.
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Old 05-24-17, 04:24 PM
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I believe the preference for hard saddles, be it leather or plastic, goes with both long miles and good fitness. If you are pretty padded yourself, you're still going to have those pressure points, regardless of the saddle padding. And if you don't put in a lot of miles then you never really get used to it. I think the only time I ever got thoughtless about saddle pain were times when I was commuting 3-4 days a week and doing weekend rides too, and the saddle was about one level more padded than what came on the bike. The saddles that come on $400 hybrids and MTB's are made for normal people doing a normal amount of riding and they work great. The saddle I'm using at present is basically a fancy name-brand version of that. Don't forget to try adjusting the tilt as well.

And the shorts work too.
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Old 05-24-17, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sangetsu View Post
If you are a first-time rider, any saddle will make you sore. It always takes 2 or 3 weeks to get used to sitting on a saddle. As a new rider you will not be able to tell the difference between a good saddle and a bad one that easily.

Saddles come in a wide variety of shapes, sizes, and designs, just like people do. Even a bad saddle can be tolerable if you ride enough, but a good saddle makes a big difference to the overall comfort you feel when you ride.

Like many others, I recommend the Brooks saddle, the B17 being the best one all-around. I have been riding for decades, and have done a fair amount of racing. I have tried many kinds of saddles, from the venerable Selle Italia Flite, the the Selle San Marco Concors, to the Specialized Body Geometry types. These are all comfortable saddles, provided you wear quality cycling shorts. I've put tens of thousands of miles on these saddles, wearing the leather covering off of some of them.

I used to think that the Brooks saddles were for old hippies who rode randonneur bikes, and avoided them for that reason. I didn't buy one for myself until the fixie craze a few years back, when Brooks became more popular. When I first sat on the B17, it was hard and round, and not as comfortable as the other saddles I had tried, but after a month of riding, it became comfortable, and became more comfortable over time. Now it is far and away the most comfortable saddle I have ever used (after riding on dozens of different saddles).

The opinion that a good saddle should feel comfortable immediately is wrong. If you sit on a new beach cruiser saddle, it will be very comfortable, but try taking that saddle for a 100 mile ride and see how it feels (I have done it).

I have put Brooks saddles on all of my bicycles, the B17 is the only saddle which I can endure long ride on without needing cycling shorts. I strongly recommend them.
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Old 05-24-17, 04:48 PM
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Oh, come on. It's true for at least some riders, so it can't be false.
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Old 05-24-17, 07:31 PM
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Exactly ^ lol...Just because it isn't true for you doesn't mean it isn't true for others. Not everyone is like you. You're experiences are just that.

I have sunk into some saddles also and its caused issues. Im 125-130lbs.
I need a firmer saddle with a cut-out. Ill experience the same issues even with a firm saddle that has no cut-out.
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Old 05-24-17, 07:42 PM
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Y'all need to learn how to read.
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Originally Posted by speshelite View Post
False.
True. I can always buy one of those plush Wal-Mart spring gel saddles. Those are super comfy from the get go, so I suppose I should never have an issue.
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Old 05-24-17, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
True. I can always buy one of those plush Wal-Mart spring gel saddles. Those are super comfy from the get go, so I suppose I should never have an issue.
WalMart cheap shot lol.
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Old 05-24-17, 08:32 PM
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You'll need to toughen-up your sit bones. But... either the saddle fits.... or it doesn't. Search YouTube for: "how to measure sit bones at home".
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Old 05-24-17, 08:59 PM
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I recently bought a new saddle from Nashbar. It was a brand I'd never heard of, and when it came it looked like the transition along the sides was very sharp from vertical to horizontal. I took careful measurements and mounted the new one the same as the old one. The first ride was very uncomfortable. I got home and moved the saddle along the rails 1/4" forward, and its all good now. Long way of saying, play around with the saddle location a little, up,down,fore,and aft. You might be surprised.
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Old 05-24-17, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
You'll need to toughen-up your sit bones. But... either the saddle fits.... or it doesn't. Search YouTube for: "how to measure sit bones at home".
No you don't. I don't think it's necessary to measure. Try a narrow, medium and wide saddle and use that as a starting point.
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I bought a used bike and after the first ride, I changed the saddle. it was so uncomfortable that I knew that it would never work. I put on one that had a had worked for me previously and it is now a great ride.
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Originally Posted by Slightspeed View Post
I recently bought a new saddle from Nashbar. It was a brand I'd never heard of, and when it came it looked like the transition along the sides was very sharp from vertical to horizontal. I took careful measurements and mounted the new one the same as the old one. The first ride was very uncomfortable. I got home and moved the saddle along the rails 1/4" forward, and its all good now. Long way of saying, play around with the saddle location a little, up,down,fore,and aft. You might be surprised.


My experience also. Like so many others on the forum, the B-17 that came as standard equipment on the Kona Sutra is the most comfortable saddle I've ever used, but I had to play around to get it that way.
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You can start a collection to sort thru several , tested by riding them, each.
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Old 05-25-17, 03:16 PM
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Bike saddles must be uncomfortable, because.....walmart.

Great logic there fellas.
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