Zoroman

It can??? Sorry, don't understand this one.

I thought the discussion is about consuming sugar, even a lot of sugar, and justifying why the mantra is ultimatley sugar is needed, or good or a must be.

redlude97

Much of the discussion about not consuming sugar/carbs during a hard ride in this thread is by keto/paleo advocates. Sugar is ultimately needed to perform at your maximum performance for extended sustained efforts, period.

Zoroman

I guess I don't see that. Let me attempt to clarify:

Point One: Many people push for eating sugar, even a lot of sugar and say all sugar the body see's as the same.
Point Two: They claim this high consumption of sugar is needed and has no, or minimal, downsides. Dismiss downsides)
Point Three: They push for a lot of sugar before riding (exercising) and during riding (exercising).

Now, there are consequences to this. I offer just a few here:

1. Many people reading this do not even come close to needing the amount of sugar they assume they need because they read these charts at high levels and long sessions of energy output which push for a HIGH sugar consumption mantra. So, they eat and eat and eat sugar even though they are peddling along at 8 miles per hour for an afternoon stroll down along a bike path on Saturday afternoon stopping to chat with the folks with the baby strollers and smelling every nice flower along the way . (just one example but I hope you get my point)
2. A great deal of this sugar is coming from products that have a lot of corn syrup and highly refined white sugar and there are negative health consequences to this.
3) There are so many people who think they are athletes or wanna be athletes and they spend most of their time studying what they need to eat (answer: food that gives you energy... WaaLAH: SUGAR) and so they do the eating and drinking part of the regime to a maximum extent and the exercise part to a minuscule percent (say 10-20%).
4) A lot of people who are trying to LOSE WEIGHT go to forums like this and read that what they need is " A LOT OF SUGAR" for ENERGY, so they follow that course even though they would be better served by consuming less sugar not more sugar.
5) I see people at the gym all the time mixing and shaking their "energy drinks" and boy they shake and shake and shake and consume and consume and consume and seem to spend most of their time at the gym with these jars of flourescent fluids going into their face holes, and after 3-4 years they are still fat and out of shape. But boy they sure do the sugar intake and "energy drink and energy bar" part of the routine.
6) Even exceptional athletes and people who train like crazy need to accept there will be consequences to all that corn syrup and highly refined sugar white sugar they are consuming if they are consuming a lot of it (yes even if they are burning it off, it is still regarded by many astute nutritionists as "poison".)

That is my primary point. The sugar sugar sugar mantra has consequences. And many are not good.

prj71

That this isn't that difficult.

redlude97

seems like you are overextrapolating from this discussion in particular, considering the detail in which the specific circumstance where and when sugar should be used in this discussion have been pointed out and where they are not needed. Many of us use lots of sugar in certain circumstances, and none in others, depending on our training. It simply isn't all or none.

memebag

Now, let me clarify your clarification:

Point One: Strawman. No one here is pushing eating a lot of sugar.
Point Two: Strawman. No one here is pushing eating a lot of sugar.
Point Three: Strawman. No one here is pushing eating a lot of sugar.

A long way back, I said I drink Gatorade while I ride to keep from bonking. I didn't say I drink nothing but Gatorade. I didn't say I drink a lot of Gatorade. Some anti-sugar zealots seem to have inferred that and started talking about feed bags and fat adapting. But no one here has been pushing eating a lot of sugar by any reasonable measure of "lot".

Zoroman

Okay. We must be reading different threads. Sorry.

Zoroman

I never heard this all or none statement. Anywhere. Now I am baffled even more.

redlude97

we can keep going in circles all you want. You are extrapolating from specific recommendations for on the bike nutrition in the case of bonking to the entire modern diet, so you can keep tiptoeing around your position but you are the one misrepresenting the specific recommendations presented here as the following:
when no one here is arguing this extreme position, this is the all or none position. Moderation is possible