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Is Strava Negatively Impacting Your Cycling Club?

Old 06-10-17, 03:11 PM
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"Not to mention Strava goofs are giving thieves customized maps right to their homes for easy theft."
Nah. A thief smart enough to use Strava as a catalog will check the logs, find a pattern, look for common rest stops and swipe it while the rider ducks into the porta-potty. Because nobody puts a lock on a $5,000 carbon fiber road bike when they're out to set a new KOM on the MUP when it's free of kids on Hello Kitty bikes and grandmas on walkers.
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Old 06-11-17, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by speshelite View Post
This is stupid. Some dork cherry picks a short section goes all out and then crawls home at 6 mph.
There's a guy around here doing the same thing, bagging KOM after KOM. But then logs a 17avg ride. Not to take away from his accomplishments. But, he seems to ride just for KOMs.
(I'm not that innocent myself with my lowracer 'bent).
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Old 06-11-17, 07:52 AM
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social media really should be called, Anti-social media. That's how it often ends up. people alone doing and saying things they would never feel comfortable doing or saying in the company of those they are communicating the data too.
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Old 06-11-17, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by speshelite View Post
Not to mention Strava goofs are giving thieves customized maps right to their homes for easy theft.
You obviously know nothing of the settings available within Strava.
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Old 06-11-17, 09:19 AM
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this thread made me curious about Strava and installed the app. Logged one ride but without paying i couldn't see any result. De-installed. People actually pay to use it?

I use Samsung Health to log my rides. I think there is a sharing function, but don't care. the only person I need to best is myself. I have a hybrid, so road-bikes will pass, i will pass comfort bikes.
Never did a group ride, but to know who is faster i can see that people that arrive before me are faster - no need for an app.

One issue with such "bragging" apps is you don't know wind direction, or the condition before that part of track. Maybe the fastest rider on that 1 km just started and had tail-wind. another rider already did 100 km and had head wind.

All I learned form this thread is to not do group-rides unless people are willing to be slower to stay with the slow ones. if the group separates due to speed difference, I may as well ride alone. I also read all the threads in group rides where people don't help each other. When I ride alone and need to adjust my bike, most people passing (total strangers) ask if i need help. but in competitive group rides it is each for their own. Not sure what the point of a group ride is then, just call it a race.
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Old 06-11-17, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by speshelite View Post
This is stupid. Some dork cherry picks a short section goes all out and then crawls home at 6 mph.
Translation: "Someone rides differently than I do, and I don't like it."
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
One issue with such "bragging" apps is you don't know wind direction, or the condition before that part of track. Maybe the fastest rider on that 1 km just started and had tail-wind. another rider already did 100 km and had head wind.
You can be almost certain that they had a tailwind, as well as rode in a pack. You can tell when the top 10 riders all got their PRs on a date that's shared with several others. Heck, some of them will even motorpace to get the KOM. KOMs are supposed to be individual efforts.

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Old 06-11-17, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
this thread made me curious about Strava and installed the app. Logged one ride but without paying i couldn't see any result. De-installed. People actually pay to use it?
I signed up online, accessed with my computer. No app on my phone, no costs. I don't get suffer score, etc; but it logs my ride/route, and notes elevation profile, average speed, HR, speed, and temp. And automatically ranks me in all the segments along my routes.
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Old 06-11-17, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
this thread made me curious about Strava and installed the app. Logged one ride but without paying i couldn't see any result. De-installed. People actually pay to use it?

I use Samsung Health to log my rides. I think there is a sharing function, but don't care. the only person I need to best is myself. I have a hybrid, so road-bikes will pass, i will pass comfort bikes.
Never did a group ride, but to know who is faster i can see that people that arrive before me are faster - no need for an app.

One issue with such "bragging" apps is you don't know wind direction, or the condition before that part of track. Maybe the fastest rider on that 1 km just started and had tail-wind. another rider already did 100 km and had head wind.

All I learned form this thread is to not do group-rides unless people are willing to be slower to stay with the slow ones. if the group separates due to speed difference, I may as well ride alone. I also read all the threads in group rides where people don't help each other. When I ride alone and need to adjust my bike, most people passing (total strangers) ask if i need help. but in competitive group rides it is each for their own. Not sure what the point of a group ride is then, just call it a race.
Strava should work fine in free mode. I've been using it to track my rides since I got a Garmin watch for Christmas, without paying, and have found it very useful. Probably no real benefit over the Samsung Health app you're using, but I find it worthwhile to see where other people are riding, what routes are widely used, and generally how my times compare overall.

As for group rides, most are very explicit about what kind of ride it is, and most clubs have different rides (fast rides where people get dropped, kinda fast but no drop, and leisure paced, for example). I've been in informal groups where people weren't clear at the beginning, or there are uncooperative or inexperienced people who mess things up, but group rides can be a lot of fun as long as everyone is on the same page. I encourage you to give it a try before you accept other people's experiences as a template for your own.

And all this angst about what other people do on Strava!? Who cares? I can't directly compare my own Strava segments from week to week, since the wind varies from 20 mph headwinds to 20 mph tailwinds, temps from 50s to 100, my energy, distance already ridden, and if I'm alone or pace-lining. I like to see that my times on average weather days tend to be in the upper 30-40% range of well-ridden segments, but that's just a ball park figure that tells me I'm doing OK in my conditioning. If someone wants to go out and 'cherry pick' segments, or fight for KOMs, go for it. Define your self worth any way you want. Doesn't affect me. And if someone doesn't want to track their warm ups and warm downs and their easy rides, who cares? I like tracking everything, and don't care who sees it.
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Old 06-11-17, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals View Post
I signed up online, accessed with my computer. No app on my phone, no costs. I don't get suffer score, etc; but it logs my ride/route, and notes elevation profile, average speed, HR, speed, and temp. And automatically ranks me in all the segments along my routes.
Someone decoded the Suffer Score. I made a simple Excel spreadsheet with the proper formula, and after each ride I enter my HR data (into the speadsheet) from my Garmin phone app, giving me my suffer scores. I then put this into the title of each Strava ride, so I can quickly scan over my recent rides and see how hard I'm pushing.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals View Post
You can be almost certain that they had a tailwind, as well as rode in a pack. You can tell when the top 10 riders all got their PRs on a date that's shared with several others. Heck, some of them will even motorpace to get the KOM. KOMs are supposed to be individual efforts.
Really? Who says?

So if we're doing lead out drills with my team on a day when we happen to have a massive tail wind, then our sprinter didn't really do the segment in 1:18?

And if I do the same segment every day on my commute, but one day get the golden tailwind and catch every single light green, and hold a few cars for several blocks each because I'm in traffic and trying to keep up on the green lights, then what??? I didn't really do that 4 miles in 12:52?

Who says? You? Who died and left you in charge of our rules?
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In my club it's not so much Strava as "Fondo Fever". A lot of the rides have become "training rides". It's fun and exhilarating to go fast, and satisfying to develop the ability to do so.

But to do it all the time, as an end in itself, naaaah.
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
this thread made me curious about Strava and installed the app. Logged one ride but without paying i couldn't see any result. De-installed. People actually pay to use it?

I use Samsung Health to log my rides. I think there is a sharing function, but don't care. the only person I need to best is myself. I have a hybrid, so road-bikes will pass, i will pass comfort bikes.
Never did a group ride, but to know who is faster i can see that people that arrive before me are faster - no need for an app.

One issue with such "bragging" apps is you don't know wind direction, or the condition before that part of track. Maybe the fastest rider on that 1 km just started and had tail-wind. another rider already did 100 km and had head wind.

All I learned form this thread is to not do group-rides unless people are willing to be slower to stay with the slow ones. if the group separates due to speed difference, I may as well ride alone. I also read all the threads in group rides where people don't help each other. When I ride alone and need to adjust my bike, most people passing (total strangers) ask if i need help. but in competitive group rides it is each for their own. Not sure what the point of a group ride is then, just call it a race.

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Old 06-11-17, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals View Post
You can be almost certain that they had a tailwind, as well as rode in a pack. You can tell when the top 10 riders all got their PRs on a date that's shared with several others. Heck, some of them will even motorpace to get the KOM. KOMs are supposed to be individual efforts.
LOL, and this is the gist of it. All I care about using it is that it gives me another means to track my own effort. But people can and will use it as they wish. No getting around it no matter how you want.

In fact I noticed after a climbing ride that a whole lot of people avg 55 mph on the long descent segment. Then you see their cadence is 0 and HR is in the 60-70 range. Yep another mountain biker driving home that forgot to turn off his GPS, LOL! What are ya gonna do?

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Old 06-11-17, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
this thread made me curious about Strava and installed the app. Logged one ride but without paying i couldn't see any result. De-installed. People actually pay to use it?

I use Samsung Health to log my rides. I think there is a sharing function, but don't care. the only person I need to best is myself. I have a hybrid, so road-bikes will pass, i will pass comfort bikes.
Never did a group ride, but to know who is faster i can see that people that arrive before me are faster - no need for an app.

One issue with such "bragging" apps is you don't know wind direction, or the condition before that part of track. Maybe the fastest rider on that 1 km just started and had tail-wind. another rider already did 100 km and had head wind.

All I learned form this thread is to not do group-rides unless people are willing to be slower to stay with the slow ones. if the group separates due to speed difference, I may as well ride alone. I also read all the threads in group rides where people don't help each other. When I ride alone and need to adjust my bike, most people passing (total strangers) ask if i need help. but in competitive group rides it is each for their own. Not sure what the point of a group ride is then, just call it a race.
You have to save the result before you can see it. I use Samsung Health also because it works with my speed and cadence sensors real well, but my Samsung Health is linked to my Strava.
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Old 06-11-17, 09:14 PM
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The irony in all of this is that if you've ever watched a grand tour and paid attention to the KOM and sprint competitions you'll find quite a few similarities with how things play out in those competitions and Strava. Most notably, the fastest cyclist overall frequently isn't anywhere near the top of those leaderboards and the KOM is frequently getting dropped on any real climbs.

This is not meant as a total diss for those who have KOMs on Strava. Anything even remotely popular as a segment in my area has a time that I currently couldn't touch even if I centered my ride solely around an effort on that segment (something I definitely have done with segments on my former commuting route). And most of those KOMs came from guys who clearly did not only try on that one segment.
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Originally Posted by speshelite View Post
Not to mention Strava goofs are giving thieves customized maps right to their homes for easy theft.
Good thing I fool them into thinking I live at breweries then...

But seriously I'm about as worried as criminals using Strava to commit crime as I am them looking at your family sticker on the minivan and your kid's sports bumper sticker and knowing from that that that you will be at the football game on Friday night, leaving your home for easy pickings, that pops up on facebook every few months.

If you have a bike worth going through that effort to steal, you make yourself a target every time it leaves the garage, best never let it out of the basement.

Plus, privacy zones.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals View Post
You can be almost certain that they had a tailwind, as well as rode in a pack. You can tell when the top 10 riders all got their PRs on a date that's shared with several others. Heck, some of them will even motorpace to get the KOM. KOMs are supposed to be individual efforts.
https://www.strava.com/segments/12983790
This one is the county line sprint on the Saturday River Ride. So yeah, there was a pack. And judging by the date it's likely that there was a tailwind. And actually the KOM didn't win the sprint. He started the sprint a pedal stroke or two late and couldn't come around the last guy. A couple more meters....

But believe me, there was hella individual effort.
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Actually, after reading through this, I'm now of the belief that people are only ruining their own riding enjoyment by caring about Strava.

If you are going through the trouble of hunting out cheats and people who forget to turn off their GPS, you are probably taking ti too seriously.
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
Actually, after reading through this, I'm now of the belief that people are only ruining their own riding enjoyment by caring about Strava.

If you are going through the trouble of hunting out cheats and people who forget to turn off their GPS, you are probably taking ti too seriously.
I'll agree that you can take it too seriously. Don't worry too much about beating everyone, use it to track your own performances and those of your close friends. You can't stop the others from doing what they're doing, and not everyone can be the KOM even when everyone's following the rules.

I forget to turn off my GPS all the time. One reason I use Strava is that it's easy to crop that accidental freeway stretch from my route.
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Actually, after reading through this, I'm now of the belief that people are only ruining their own riding enjoyment by caring about Strava.

If you are going through the trouble of hunting out cheats and people who forget to turn off their GPS, you are probably taking ti too seriously.
I'm fascinated that the people most upset by Strava are the people who claim not to care about Strava.
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I'm fascinated that the people most upset by Strava are the people who claim not to care about Strava.


Up until very recently, I didn't even have friends on it, and even now they are just a couple college buddies I'd never keep up with anyhow. It was cool to look at segment leaderboards just to see how I compare to others, but I never let my place actually bother me in any way. Just good for yearly riding stats, and cool to record my route on my last tour.
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I just bag them on my motorcycle. Keep up that KOM pace until it proves to be impossible on a bike. Just by a hair. Them all them OCD stravites will sell their bikes to take up golf. Then I swoop in for a lowball price on them fancy wheels. Mooohhhhaaaa.
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I just bag them on my motorcycle. Keep up that KOM pace until it proves to be impossible on a bike. Just by a hair. Them all them OCD stravites will sell their bikes to take up golf. Then I swoop in for a lowball price on them fancy wheels. Mooohhhhaaaa.
I like your way of thinking, my man!
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I mostly use these apps to compare my own ride times and see how I'm progressing.


I have checked the KOMs on segments before, and I'm nowhere close to these times. But, I ride a hybrid now. If I get a road bike in the future, maybe the KOMs will matter more to me?
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