Quite a rant there CC, but I agree with all of it. Well done on saving your mum from the corporate junkfood jungle, I detest that poison. Sugary breakfast serials, potato chips, KFC chicken full of antibiotics and hormones. I have a mate who grew tits because he ate so much lol. processed meat, chicken nuggets, it's all dogfood basically.

Now I gorge myself on eggs and lamb and rye bread, fresh fruit and vegetables like you. Cheese, nuts, anything that is unprocessed basically. I love coffee though and increasingly tea and I switched sugar for natural honey I buy off a bee keeper. Honey I discovered is totally different from cane sugar, totally! It's processed by the Liver whereas sugar is processed by insulin from the pancreas. Honey many believe is associated with improved liver health and reduced risk of liver disease. Whereas heavy sugar intake often leads to pancreatitis. Anyway... this isn't going to turn into a medical rant.

Sure I have KFC or some such crap, once a month with friends, and when someone makes me a coffee I don't insist on honey, you can't be religious about it or you'll make yourself a social outcast like most vegetarians are. But you have to break the old habits too, and that does take about 2~3 months of obsessive adherence to a natural eating diet I found.

These are the benefits of maturing hey CC. We are no longer slaves to peer pressure and fashion, we can take full control of our lives and change for the better. :50:

LOL! At least she has an excuse. I didn't/still don't eat junk food. (Might want to tell your sis that there almost always animal-based products hiding in all those baked goods, under different names, such as dough conditioners and various hard-to-pronouince chemicals, etc.)

These. If you can't relax about your food and weight you need real medical help.

My weight fluctuates all day. I usually end the day 5 or 10 pounds heavier than I start it, no matter what I eat or how much I exercise. Of course, I never fast.

A 16 hour fast works for me, repeated as often as I can tolerate it.

5 days without food, a nasty spell of food poisoning took me out for almost a week many years ago.

I even gave up red meat and dairy for almost a year after that episode, and then one day I went back to my usual diet and have never gone more than a day without food.

3 1/2 pages of replies mentioning gluconeogenesis, procedures for weighing and psychological issues and no one has mentioned the use of a percent body fat scale? That could give the OP something new to obsess about/utilize to determine just what he is gaining or loosing when his weight changes.

Most people who fast drink something with sugar or some such food in it anyway, that's not a fast.

Oh she's a smart cookie, she'd know, I think she just chooses to turn a blind tastebud to it. When she started it took her years to get off meat, she weened herself onto sausages and mince because it didn't look like meat lol.

As for your experience, well yes, I know from personal experience it's hard as hell to drop a few KG when you get past 50. But as I said to this morbidly obese woman once who was claiming that her hormones made her fat, I said "a broad cross section of genotypes went into Trabinka and Austwich and they all came out skinny, weight is a function of how many calories you're eating." She didn't like that :foo:

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My sister is fully vegan and is as fat as a whale. It's the cakes and cream buns that do it.

You want to point that out to my sister? Good luck. Fat people aren't always golly I assure you.

BTW, they are mock-cream buns, and she probably has a vegen cake shop, but sugar is the killer, it's fat in waiting.

That's all I was curious about. The vegan + cream thing confused me.

I tell you one thing I have learn't about vegans over the years SP, they are very intense and often touchy people, at least the two I know, and very very touchy on the subject of food. I rarely discuss it with her these days.

Politics, religion, food, and dogs. :lol:

One of my nephew had a T-Shirt that read something this:

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I though it was a joke and I laugh. He got upset...

I'd wear that t-shirt.

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@SylvainG I thought you'd appreciate this one.

Frankly, I think the OP read all of the remote psychological diagnoses and left the building... We are all up on the stage, reciting our lines in the play, and there is no audience! :deadhorse:

LOL I do, but I doubt my nephew will :lol:

This thread has gone off the rails. It was posted in the wrong forum, as well.

Closed.