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Old 06-19-17, 04:16 PM   #101
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Just wanted to add my 2 cents to this thread. Here ya go.

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Cargos over bibshorts? First thing I had to do was look up bibshorts. The cargo shorts over them answers how to carry wallet, I.D.
Bibs don't tend to have much carrying capacity (sometimes there's a slot for a small electronic device) because they're usually being worn with cycling jerseys, which have 3 pockets along the back.

Cyclists using backpacks or camelbaks will often keep their personal stuff with those.

Shorts over bibs can work for carrying stuff, although the main point of baggy stuff over cycling shorts is usually modesty. Many cyclists prefer to not carry stuff on the legs, because the legs are moving a lot more than other parts of the body.
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The other day as I was coming home from work on my normal commute (on my fixie in normal clothes with a small messenger bag) one of these guys came up behind me while slowing down to cross the street, we set off and he stood up to get around me but I took off too. He stayed on my wheel for little then tried to get around me. still couldn't do it, got back in the draft and switched gears, I could hear the tires on the road as he put more power into the pedals and pulled out to the side, so I tucked down even more and kept spinning. He never was able to get around me. Finally as the bike path ended I took the normal route through town and he turned off to go a different way. I like to think in frustration that he couldn't pass a steel frame.
did you drop the hammer and dial it up to 400 watts on the MUP
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Most of us dont have cubic money to spend on our hobby, and it is NOT necessary either.
This is just your opinion
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Bibs don't tend to have much carrying capacity (sometimes there's a slot for a small electronic device) because they're usually being worn with cycling jerseys, which have 3 pockets along the back.

Cyclists using backpacks or camelbaks will often keep their personal stuff with those.

Shorts over bibs can work for carrying stuff, although the main point of baggy stuff over cycling shorts is usually modesty. Many cyclists prefer to not carry stuff on the legs, because the legs are moving a lot more than other parts of the body.
Thanks for the info.
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Read Bicycling magazine. The higher the price the greater the ballyhoo.

You never see the absolute fact that at a moderate price point you have all the bike you need. After that point all you are getting is name and snobbery.
Like a a$$ everyone has an opinion, yours is not any better or worse than anyone else's. I have read countless posts of people asking about bikes at a particular price point and they get good information MOSTLY.
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Went right over your head........
Nope. It didn't. Not all Dutch people ride "Dutch" bikes. For the most part they ride the crappy "Dutch" bikes because they are cheap and if one gets stolen, they just steal someone elses. It's more of a bike exchange than really stealing.

For weekend riding, they leave the Dutch bike at home.
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Old 06-19-17, 05:22 PM   #110
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Not all Dutch people ride "Dutch" bikes. .
Like I said, you completely missed my point.
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Read Bicycling magazine. The higher the price the greater the ballyhoo.

You never see the absolute fact that at a moderate price point you have all the bike you need. After that point all you are getting is name and snobbery.
You were talking about posts in this forum, not a bike ad magazine. Where are the posts that set you off? I don't read Bicycling magazine.

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I'm 65 and started riding in January. I'm a construction guy so there was no way I was going to were spandex. Well after increasing riding to 100 miles a week and doing 60 miles 2 weekends ago, I bought my third pair of bibshorts on Father's Day. Now when I ride with my bride of 45 years on the weekend, I have to wear cargos over them, but holy cow what a game changer when it comes to comfort.
That's how it always starts. Soon you'll stop giving a damn what others think and you'll be in full matching kit. After that you can start being mean to people who don't look pro. Then it's pain train and EPO and guads.
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Nope. It didn't. Not all Dutch people ride "Dutch" bikes. For the most part they ride the crappy "Dutch" bikes because they are cheap and if one gets stolen, they just steal someone elses. It's more of a bike exchange than really stealing.

For weekend riding, they leave the Dutch bike at home.
You are correct! Between 50,000 and 80,000 bike are stolen in Amsterdam annually.

A crude survey I did in Europe showed that 97% of the bikes I encountered on a popular bike route used flat bars. This was true for some really nice road bikes. I took the first 100 bikes I saw that day and categorized them into touring bikes, recreational riders, and misc. I did keep track of bar type. I only saw 3 bikes with drop bars and they were recreational riders. There were only a handful of what I would call utility bikes. I can't say that I saw any trikes the 5 months we rode there

The Netherlands. Go into almost any coffee shop a on a Saturday, and you will find a group of kitted up riders having cake and coffee.




In most of Europe the bike is part of the transportation system, and valued for their utilitarian use. This very pregnant women pulled into the grocery store parking lot with her young kid riding in a kid seat-on her bike.

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Old 06-19-17, 06:39 PM   #113
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While I pretty much dismiss anything the OP has to say as trolling, I do admire the numbers he manages to pull in with his nets.
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Old 06-19-17, 06:42 PM   #114
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I'm 65 and started riding in January. I'm a construction guy so there was no way I was going to were spandex. Well after increasing riding to 100 miles a week and doing 60 miles 2 weekends ago, I bought my third pair of bibshorts on Father's Day. Now when I ride with my bride of 45 years on the weekend, I have to wear cargos over them, but holy cow what a game changer when it comes to comfort.
Get a set of MTB or surf shorts and you're pretty much set if you want to max out on comfort while blending in more off the bike. Most regular cargo shorts I see are cotton, and I personally wouldn't wear that for longer rides.

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Get a set of MTB or surf shorts and you're pretty much set if you want to max out on comfort while blending in more off the bike.
Thanks, good idea. It's my wife that doesn't find me particularly attractive in my bibs. I think she gets a little embarrassed.
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Unless you're getting your information from a single source or a single person there is no way the consensus would have been to get 105 or don't bother. There may very well have been zealots who would have told you that, but plenty of people here, as well as writers in publications who will tell you that Sora or Tiagra are just find for entry level.
I'll fully admit the friends were the wrong people to ask for help. My point, which you seem to be missing, is that when you give people advice, sometimes they listen to it. Instead of telling beginners to be smarter, maybe the experienced should be smarter about the advice they give.

In any case, their advice panned out for me in the end. I can now fix most things on a bike, which is nicer than the folks who treat their LBS as a place to give money they dont need. It put me off buying something "better", annoyed me with new bikes and their proponents, and now I fully enjoy my $28 Schwinn Le Tour, even more than the demonstrably faster Peugeot and much lauded Miyata 610. I've got no issue being seen with steel wheels and stem shifters, and get that much more pleasure passing the folks on the annoyingly loud Cervelos on mass rides

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Get a set of MTB or surf shorts and you're pretty much set if you want to max out on comfort while blending in more off the bike. Most regular cargo shorts I see are cotton, and I personally wouldn't wear that for longer rides.
+1. Much nicer than sweating in cotton, and much more family friendly than lyrica. Plus pockets.

And they still work on road bikes
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A while back, someone asked here on BF.net 'why not stem shifters?' and was lectured with comments like 'Bikes have evolved' or 'We've moved on' and implied that anyone with out brifters or electronic shifting is a mouth-breathing caveman, and to outfit a bike in such a manner is absurd.

I friction shift.
I ride steel frames - and one is even hi-ten!
I use freewheels.
I ride 27" wheels
I ride in hiking shorts with pockets
I ride in neon safety green t-shirts.
I have even been known to wear a reflective safety vest.
I use toe clips/straps - because I'm usually commuting in lugged-sole work boots!

My last NEW bike was 40 years ago.
And that one was bought for less than $200.
I've never spent more than $150 on a used bike.
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I still move right along for an overweight and nearly 60-year-old with a 18+mph riding speed.
I stop at stop signs and traffic lights - AND wait for the green!

Putting me on one of those new uber-bikes is not going to improve my riding experience one whit. I'd probably break the damned thing with my weight on the bad roads around here... My rear blinkie wasn't up to the task and literally flew to pieces.

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The road bikers around where I live are a funny sort. Expensive bike, expensive jerseys with huge logos on them all matching colors, bike, helmet, sunglasses, lycra. If your not riding an aero frame, deep wheels state of the art machine they wont even talk to you. I like the looks they give my steel frames.

The other day as I was coming home from work on my normal commute (on my fixie in normal clothes with a small messenger bag) one of these guys came up behind me while slowing down to cross the street, we set off and he stood up to get around me but I took off too. He stayed on my wheel for little then tried to get around me. still couldn't do it, got back in the draft and switched gears, I could hear the tires on the road as he put more power into the pedals and pulled out to the side, so I tucked down even more and kept spinning. He never was able to get around me. Finally as the bike path ended I took the normal route through town and he turned off to go a different way. I like to think in frustration that he couldn't pass a steel frame.


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I appreciate the OP, many of us do not have any desire to compete with others...or ourselves. We just want to ride, enjoy the day, enjoy our company, enjoy the wind in our hair, etc. That is in no way saying that those who choose to wear logos, etc are not enjoying yourselves... you're just spending more doing so
Like you, I too appreciate the OP. He absolutely makes BF more fun.

Having said that, I can assure you that he does not advocate the "wind in our hair experience". Likely you are too new to know this, but he is well known in the helmet thread. Just sayin'

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While I pretty much dismiss anything the OP has to say as trolling, I do admire the numbers he manages to pull in with his nets.
This thread was amazingly productive, even for Rydabent!
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I also love telling people who get in my way how pro I am.
... while hauling kittens in your trailer.

Me? I wear a kit because I cannot abide a wrinkle. Wrinkles are un-aero.
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Nope. It didn't. Not all Dutch people ride "Dutch" bikes. For the most part they ride the crappy "Dutch" bikes because they are cheap and if one gets stolen, they just steal someone elses. It's more of a bike exchange than really stealing.

For weekend riding, they leave the Dutch bike at home.
LOL in Amsterdam for instance there are full time employees with the job of fishing unwanted bicycles from the canals. Every year they pull upwards up 15,000 bicycles and occasionally cars from the water.
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You should save those for bike stuff.
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... while hauling kittens in your trailer.
Isn't that what they mean when they talk about 'fully kitted' riders?
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I'll fully admit the friends were the wrong people to ask for help. My point, which you seem to be missing, is that when you give people advice, sometimes they listen to it. Instead of telling beginners to be smarter, maybe the experienced should be smarter about the advice they give.
Caveat emptor.

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In any case, their advice panned out for me in the end. I can now fix most things on a bike, which is nicer than the folks who treat their LBS as a place to give money they dont need. It put me off buying something "better", annoyed me with new bikes and their proponents, and now I fully enjoy my $28 Schwinn Le Tour, even more than the demonstrably faster Peugeot and much lauded Miyata 610.
Again, glad it worked out for you in the end...And I was right with you until this:

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