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Old 06-25-17, 06:18 AM
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Brooks Cambium questions

Has anyone ridden one of these yet and how do you like them? I don't even own a brooks saddle yet but I can say that my 3 main bikes have WTB Volts on them that are 135 mm wide. I have never had my sit bones measured but being 6' 1/2" tall and 170 lbs I am slender so I always figured my sit bones were not going to be as wide as a lot of my riding buddies who are bigger men. So I am considering getting my first Brooks in a cambium model and am considering the B15 over the 17 due to its 140 mm width. Something about a wider saddle doesn't feel right to me BUT my bikes are set up so I have some forward lean yet NOT a racing position either and from what I read the B17 (which is wider) is more suited for upright riding positions. So by upright riding are they meaning the comfort bike "upright" or anything that's not hunched clear down on the bars "upright"? If my current WTB saddles feel good under my bum should I opt for a Brooks with the same width or is there something I am not realizing?

Another thing worth considering......Last weekend I volunteered to ride a buddies fat bike for 40 miles when his sons legs got burnt out (I traded bikes with his son). The bike was too small for me and I might have been more upright than I was used to. He had a Brooks B17 saddle on it. For the first 15 miles I kept telling them how I WAS going to get one of those saddles as it was so comfy. But around mile 20+ my bum started to hurt and it was slightly sore after the ride. Was this most likely due to the fact that the saddle was not broken in to my bum or maybe that I was too upright on too small a frame?

I always like the way my WTB saddles have felt but I will say after 50+ miles, especially if it's hard hilly miles, I notice my bum is a little sore even with the proper riding shorts. Nothing major but still just wonder if these Brooks saddles are really the cat's meow like so many of my buddies keep telling me they are. I think I will be getting one of the Cambium models but wanted to hear varying opinions to help me decide.
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Old 06-25-17, 07:38 AM
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I have a C17 carved and really like it. Nice to not have to worry about it getting wet like the Brooks leather ones. But is a little different than the leather although I find it more comfortable with the C17. Really hard to say for someone else. I tried a WTB saddle years ago and I didn't like it at all.
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EZ enough to do a sit bone width measurement,, stack up a few thicknesses of corrugated cardboard in a wooden chair and sit on them..

the compressed dents in the cardboard will be your impression..




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Old 06-25-17, 09:44 AM
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EZ enough to do a sit bone width measurement,, stack up a few thicknesses of corrugated cardboard in a wooden chair and sit on them..

the compressed dents in the cardboard will be your impression..




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Well that's good to know. I'm not close to any bike shop and I didn't want to make a special trip just to sit on a piece of Goo LOL
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Old 06-25-17, 03:11 PM
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Old 06-25-17, 04:08 PM
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I have a C17 and a C15. And a B17 for that matter. The two 17s are too wide for me (6', 185). The C15 is perfect. And I also have a Brooks Pro, which is the most comfortable saddle I've ever ridden. The B17 and C17 will move on when the opportunity arises.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey View Post
Has anyone ridden one of these yet and how do you like them? I don't even own a brooks saddle yet but I can say that my 3 main bikes have WTB Volts on them that are 135 mm wide. I have never had my sit bones measured but being 6' 1/2" tall and 170 lbs I am slender so I always figured my sit bones were not going to be as wide as a lot of my riding buddies who are bigger men. So I am considering getting my first Brooks in a cambium model and am considering the B15 over the 17 due to its 140 mm width. Something about a wider saddle doesn't feel right to me BUT my bikes are set up so I have some forward lean yet NOT a racing position either and from what I read the B17 (which is wider) is more suited for upright riding positions. So by upright riding are they meaning the comfort bike "upright" or anything that's not hunched clear down on the bars "upright"? If my current WTB saddles feel good under my bum should I opt for a Brooks with the same width or is there something I am not realizing?




Another thing worth considering......Last weekend I volunteered to ride a buddies fat bike for 40 miles when his sons legs got burnt out (I traded bikes with his son). The bike was too small for me and I might have been more upright than I was used to. He had a Brooks B17 saddle on it. For the first 15 miles I kept telling them how I WAS going to get one of those saddles as it was so comfy. But around mile 20+ my bum started to hurt and it was slightly sore after the ride. Was this most likely due to the fact that the saddle was not broken in to my bum or maybe that I was too upright on too small a frame?

I always like the way my WTB saddles have felt but I will say after 50+ miles, especially if it's hard hilly miles, I notice my bum is a little sore even with the proper riding shorts. Nothing major but still just wonder if these Brooks saddles are really the cat's meow like so many of my buddies keep telling me they are. I think I will be getting one of the Cambium models but wanted to hear varying opinions to help me decide.
More "upright" will typically be where the bars are even with or slightly higher than the saddle. I've got b17's on a couple of bikes and they are comfortable for me, but my seat bones measure 155. I have a c17 carved on a traditional road bike that I think I find more comfortable still than the b17. I can tolerate saddles narrower than my seat bone width and typical road bike position for up to 20 mile rides, but I can definitely tell that they don't work for me.

The b17 may not have ended up comfortable because you were on too small of a frame, causing you to sit in a much different position than typical. If 135 wide saddles have worked for you, I'd probably stay in the same width neighborhood.
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Old 06-25-17, 07:54 PM
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I have 4 Brooks B15 Swallow leather saddles on various bikes. My touring bike seat wore out ( not a Brooks ) so I bought a C15 since I often ride that bike in the rain. The Cambium was awful. It hurt my butt bones and never got comfortable. I rode it less than 150 miles and sold it on CL. It took my sit bones 2 months to stop being sore. I bought another B15 Swallow, put in on the same bike and it's great. Brooks wouldn't give me any credit toward a new saddle. Craig's List is loaded with "almost new" Cambium saddles. Don't buy one.
Ps: just for reference, I'm 70 and ride about 4,000 miles a year.
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Old 06-25-17, 08:49 PM
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I'm 6' 2" and about 205. I have a C17, three B17's and two Pro models. I love them all! The C17 is fairly comfy right out of the box, as they are designed to be. There really isn't any breaking in needed. For road bikes I recommend them highly if one of them fits you. They make three different widths. C15, C17 and C19 as well as the cut-away models.

The C17 is on my light-weight fixed gear Wabi Classic. The B17's and Pro's are on my road bikes. I'm not sure a C series would make a good MTN saddle because they are pretty grippy. I like the relative slippiness of the WTB saddle on my Kona MTN bike though. Plus, the nose is sloped down on most MTN saddles

The C series in black has a kind of industrial steam-punk look to it. Cool looking saddle IMO.

Unless you are heck-bent on the C17, I'd go with a B17 instead. Once broken in, they are hard to beat for long days in the saddle. But yeah, the B series take about 500 miles to "start" breaking in.


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I bought a C17 carved to replace the B17N on my road bike. I'm small (5'6", 130lbs), so I figured a narrow saddle would suit me well. However, the B17 narrow was never comfortable for me. The C17 is more comfortable, but it took a lot of adjusting to get it just right. I also have two B17 standard and one B17 sprung saddles on my touring and commuter bikes, and they are even more comfortable than the C17. So, for me, the least to most comfortable has been B17 narrow, C17 carved, B17 sprung, B17 standard. Despite my small frame, I find a wider saddle works better for me.
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I have a question regarding the C17. I always thought that the B17 has such wide acceptance because it'conforms' to the shape of each rider's anatomy over time.

The C17 is plastic, so it shouldn't conform. So why is it as comfortable as the B17?
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Because the C17 doesn't require a lengthy break-in period. It's comfy right out of the box. However, over the long-haul, the B17 will probably last longer.
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Yeah, that would be my thread of hatred!

I don't like the Cambium, but everyone else seems to love them. Be prepared to make a lot of minor adjustments and endless tweaking to find the exact right spot if you buy one.
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The C17 is plastic, so it shouldn't conform.
Cambium saddles aren't actually plastic. I believe they are made of a rubber-infused canvas.
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So I've read everybody's post over the last day or so and tell me if I've missed something cuz I feel like I might have. Are you guys saying that even though a narrower saddle feels better to me with a normal saddle, the Brooks saddle might feel just as good even though it's wider? Or did somebody say to get a narrow Brooks saddle if I like an narrow regular saddle?
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Don't go by anything any of us say about the saddle. Saddles are VERY individual things. What is perfect for one rider may not work for another.

In "general" the Swallow saddle (Leather) is the narrowest one Brooks makes (I think). The C13 is the narrowest they make in the C series. It's probably in line with the Swallow as far as width.

The best option is to find a shop that has them and sit on one in their store. Better to take the bike for a ride. If no stores sell them ask an online retailer if they have a try before you buy or a return policy if the saddle doesn't work for you.
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So I've read everybody's post over the last day or so and tell me if I've missed something cuz I feel like I might have. Are you guys saying that even though a narrower saddle feels better to me with a normal saddle, the Brooks saddle might feel just as good even though it's wider? Or did somebody say to get a narrow Brooks saddle if I like an narrow regular saddle?
Ha, yes we did give you a mixed bag. I'll pass along what someone told me when I was considering purchasing the c17 carved...while it measure 160 wide, it rides like a wider saddle. They were right, it does ride wider, which for me was a good thing. The slot, aka carved version gives the saddle more flex, which for most is a good thing, and makes the saddle more comfortable. If you're a big dude though, it could introduce more flex than you like... So, for the cambiums, the sizing will be similar to a traditional non-hammock style saddle, you'd buy one close to the size you already ride.

I found a shop that actually had the one I wanted in stock. They were more than willing to allow me to purchase the saddle, use it for 30 days, and return it if it wasn't going to work out. Hopefully, you have a lbs that will let you buy, try, and exchange if need be. In my experience, the leather brooks saddles tend to require a little more width to get your seat bones in the leather hammock area, and not resting on the metal frame found along the outer edges, which is probably why I can ride a b17 with a width of 172 and a c17 carved with a width of 160 and have them fit very similarly.
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I have a question regarding the C17. I always thought that the B17 has such wide acceptance because it'conforms' to the shape of each rider's anatomy over time.

The C17 is plastic, so it shouldn't conform. So why is it as comfortable as the B17?

1. The C17 isn't plastic.
2. It is not as comfortable as a broken in B17.

The C17 has a somewhat similar shape but is narrower. I guess so some people will put them on their crabon bikes.

I have ridden both and am getting rid of the C17 and buying a new B17 to replace it.
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I have two C17s and a C15 both carved. Oddly enough, my tan C17 is more comfortable than the other two. Not sure why. I have about 1500 miles on the tan one and only about 7 or 800 on the black C17.

I'm small asian guy. I'm 5'5 and 140#. The C17's were on my Lynskey Viale and my C15 is on my Surly Pacer. Both saddles are comfortable for about 40 - 50 miles then my behind gets sore. I've tried other saddles and the these are still the most comfortable to me. I did a metric century this last weekend on my Lynskey and was pretty comfortable up until about mile 60. For some reason, the last 2 miles weren't too comfortable.

I have a WTB volt that I tried. It's a 135mm size. I didn't like it. I put about 200 miles on that saddle and my junk kept going numb. I put the cambium back on and voila, comfy again. I agree with the others on here though. Saddles are a personal choice. You're never going to know until you try.
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I have two C17s and a C15 both carved. Oddly enough, my tan C17 is more comfortable than the other two. Not sure why. I have about 1500 miles on the tan one and only about 7 or 800 on the black C17.

I'm small asian guy. I'm 5'5 and 140#. The C17's were on my Lynskey Viale and my C15 is on my Surly Pacer. Both saddles are comfortable for about 40 - 50 miles then my behind gets sore. I've tried other saddles and the these are still the most comfortable to me. I did a metric century this last weekend on my Lynskey and was pretty comfortable up until about mile 60. For some reason, the last 2 miles weren't too comfortable.

I have a WTB volt that I tried. It's a 135mm size. I didn't like it. I put about 200 miles on that saddle and my junk kept going numb. I put the cambium back on and voila, comfy again. I agree with the others on here though. Saddles are a personal choice. You're never going to know until you try.
With all of my WTB Volts I don't have issues with any numbness but I experience the dreaded soreness around mile 50+. Thats what I hate. Up till then I love these saddles. I rode 53 miles on gravel this weekend with lots of steep climbs. Some climbs were done out of the saddle. Towards the end of the ride my bum was starting to hurt slightly.
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Originally Posted by brianmcg123 View Post
1. The C17 isn't plastic.
2. It is not as comfortable as a broken in B17.

The C17 has a somewhat similar shape but is narrower. I guess so some people will put them on their crabon bikes.

I have ridden both and am getting rid of the C17 and buying a new B17 to replace it.
Thank you for providing an answer. Whether plastic or (correctly) rubber infused canvas, the C17 will not 'break in' and conform to the individual rider's posterior geometry. That's what I was looking for.

The B17 may be comfortable to some right from the get go, but (for me at least) in the beginning it feels like riding a 6" steel pipe. Thankfully it took 3 20 mi. rides to 'break-in'...

EDIT: I am looking for a sprung B17 (Flyer) but I was wondering whether I should look into Cambium. Thank you again.
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Thank you for providing an answer. Whether plastic or (correctly) rubber infused canvas, the C17 will not 'break in' and conform to the individual rider's posterior geometry. That's what I was looking for.

The B17 may be comfortable to some right from the get go, but (for me at least) in the beginning it feels like riding a 6" steel pipe. Thankfully it took 3 20 mi. rides to 'break-in'...

EDIT: I am looking for a sprung B17 (Flyer) but I was wondering whether I should look into Cambium. Thank you again.

I have a Champion Flyer on my LHT and its like sitting on a lazy-boy recliner. Its sublime. But different bike for a different kind of riding.
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The LHT is different than...? Which bike?
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The LHT is different than...? Which bike?

Its different than my other bike. Which is a Trek Madone. Trek, they make good bikes.
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