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The Real Cost of Di2

Old 07-17-17, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
Can you get obsolete mechanical components? How 'bout 10sp Dura Ace or Ultegra parts...?
I can still get replacement mechanical parts for Campy 9 and 10 speeds kits. I broke the derailleur stop on a Record carbon 9 speed rear mech (a rare model) but a new replacement was only a phone call away. Not bad for an 18 year old piece of kit.
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Old 07-17-17, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
The shark has been jumped. Perspective has been lost.
Those who ride over 3000mi in this world are the top 7% probably.
The other 93% of cyclists spend their time on 'practically nothing' for miles.
Eh, I ride every chance I get, on top of commuting/grocery-getting via bike. I'm sure there's a lot of other folks who do the same thing.
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Old 07-17-17, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by manapua_man View Post
Eh, I ride every chance I get, on top of commuting/grocery-getting via bike. I'm sure there's a lot of other folks who do the same thing.
In a world of 7.5billion and a country of 320million, there absolutely are a lot who do the same.
And there is a vast majority who dont.

Calling 3000mi a year nothing just seems over the top.
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Old 07-19-17, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
I keep reading posts where it is claimed that electronic shifting "cost a couple grand", that it is "so expensive" and so forth. "Expensive" is subjective but as one who has built a Di2 bike, I would like to offer an account of the actual, real world cost of the Di2 system which I built.

What about the cost of your immortal soul?


That is the true cost of Di2.
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Old 07-19-17, 07:20 PM
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That would have brought the cost down to ~$620 above what it would have cost to do a comparable mechanical system.

Are the advantages of the electronic system worth $620 more than the mechanical system? Is the shifting faster and more reliable? If I take my bike to another city, state, or country (which I often do), can I fix it myself, and find replacements if something breaks?

Personally, I would not spend $620 over a comparable mechanical system. I export professional equipment to customers and companies around the world, and many buyers prefer mechanically-based systems which can continue to run in the event of battery or power failure. Unlike bicycle components, these mechanically-based machines are more expensive than their electronically-controlled counterparts.

The reason that mechanical systems are still desirable is because they can be operated in any and all environments and places, need no batteries, or access to electricity. The mechanical systems are also serviceable, rather than being disposable as many electronically-based machines are. Another thing to consider is cold weather. Customers of mine in Tibet have endless problems with batteries freezing from the cold, and always pay top-dollar for small equipment which does not need batteries, or which will use commonly available lead-acid, or alkaline batteries instead of lithium-ion batteries.

I ride a bicycle for transportation, and to maintain my health, and I enjoy the simplicity of a bicycle. The bicycle transfers and amplifies my strength mechanically, allowing me to go faster and farther under my own own power than I otherwise would. If I want a more sophisticated form of transportation, I might as well by a motorcycle or a car.
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Old 07-19-17, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sangetsu View Post
Are the advantages of the electronic system worth $620 more than the mechanical system?
For many people, yes.

You can get a Di2 system for $400 above what a mechanical system costs. Someone here purchased a Di2 bike for $120 more than the exact same mechanical bike.


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Is the shifting faster and more reliable?
Without question. It cannot be argued otherwise.


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If I take my bike to another city, state, or country (which I often do), can I fix it myself, and find replacements if something breaks?
If you can find parts then you can fix it yourself. Availability of Di2 parts is arguably somewhat less than mechanical but I don't see many mechanical derailleurs in display cases these days. Mechanical or electronic, everything short of cables and housings has to be ordered. I'm sure there are exceptions.

Having said that, it is probably less likely to break, especially in wet or dirty conditions. There are less moving parts and the system is waterproof. Mechanical systems fail in muddy conditions simply because the cables and housings get contaminated and gunked up. That doesn't happen with Di2.


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Personally
Thank you for acknowledging that the rest is your personal opinion. Many confuse opinion with fact and so I appreciate your honest here.

I probably would not ride Di2 in Tibet. I'll give you that. I don't see what Tibet has to do with the cost of Di2 however.

The cost to build a Di2 system is a few hundred dollars. It isn't "a couple grand" as some claim. I and many others feel it is a great value and I can't wait to upgrade my Ultegra 6870 to R8050.


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Old 07-20-17, 05:05 AM
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I'm happy to see the cost difference coming down. A couple of hundred dollars seems about right and makes it a choice based on personal preference. Many people never get the hang of shifting and it seems electronic is really a plus for them. Also folks with impairments. On the other hand $700 difference puts you in the mechanical Dura Ace territory, tough competition for an Ultegra group of any persuasion. I think it will really take off when they can pair it with an IGH, without the current weight penalty.
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Old 07-20-17, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
I'm happy to see the cost difference coming down. A couple of hundred dollars seems about right and makes it a choice based on personal preference. Many people never get the hang of shifting and it seems electronic is really a plus for them. Also folks with impairments. On the other hand $700 difference puts you in the mechanical Dura Ace territory, tough competition for an Ultegra group of any persuasion. I think it will really take off when they can pair it with an IGH, without the current weight penalty.
What is IGH? You are right though, even though I love my Di2, it would still be hard to turn down Dusa Ace mech for the same price.
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Old 07-20-17, 09:26 AM
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Internally geared hub. No derailleurs, less stuff exposed to the elements. They are too heavy now for road bikes but maybe that will change with more electronics.
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Old 07-20-17, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post

Having said that, it is probably less likely to break, especially in wet or dirty conditions. There are less moving parts and the system is waterproof. Mechanical systems fail in muddy conditions simply because the cables and housings get contaminated and gunked up. That doesn't happen with Di2.
This is something that I'm sure CX guys think about a lot.
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Old 09-07-19, 02:13 PM
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Thanks!

Awesome post, appreciate the info!
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Old 09-08-19, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
The same speculative, rhetorical questions can be asked about mechanical groupsets and are not relevant to the point of this thread.



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I think to some degree it is relevant, as a mechanical groupset would most likely still function in 20 years, unlike an electronic di2.
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Old 09-08-19, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FlMTNdude View Post
I think to some degree it is relevant, as a mechanical groupset would most likely still function in 20 years, unlike an electronic di2.
If anyone wanted to run it. 3 generations of Shimano hardware since they put the cables under the bar tape.... and Shimano still has cables snapping inside road shifters.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
If anyone wanted to run it. 3 generations of Shimano hardware since they put the cables under the bar tape.... and Shimano still has cables snapping inside road shifters.
On drops bar bikes I run shifting that's new, new, 5 years old, 15 years old, and 35 years old.
Some of em have cables under tape and others have cables outside of tape.

I still want to run the drivetrains since I chose to use them. I'll continue to use them too, until they break or I choose something else.

As for cables snapping, that is such a rarity that it doesnt play a role in me deciding what equipment to use. Cables snapping would be 115th on my list of things to consider, if I allowed my list to be that long.
Anecdotal experience is no reason to run from cables.
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