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Old 09-08-17, 10:43 AM
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Girlfriend selling ex-boyfriend's CF frames...

EDIT: should mention the title is misleading, it should probably read "Random lady selling..."

So, what is the legality and morality of purchasing such things as abandoned property left at the ex's place? I've always heard of these deals, and one popped up on my local CL today in what looks to be my size, a Cannondale SuperSix Evo and a second unnamed/unpictured CF frame. I've really got no interest in a CF go-fast bike, but at under a C-note each and barely over for both I'm fighting the temptation (although doubtful they'll last anywhere near long enough for me to go collect).

Of course, they could have been left as crash damaged, or it could well be a scam, but assuming everything else is on the up and up how appropriate is such a transaction? Any legal ramifications? Am I likely to be tackled as I ride through the park and have a college guy telling me it is his?

Linked here, if anyone else around Ann Arbor wants them feel free. I know how much it is going to properly cost to build them up, don't need the temptation: https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/...297868300.html
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Old 09-08-17, 10:46 AM
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If you are stupid enough to leave this stuff behind, then fair game.

She can split the $75 should he remember he left them behind.
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Old 09-08-17, 11:23 AM
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BB30. Pass.
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Old 09-08-17, 12:50 PM
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Possibly could be a scam to get you there to rob you. If said random woman gave her ex a chance to pick up those bike frames and he either refused or couldn't do so in a set timeframe it is fair game I believe. But tread carefully.
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Old 09-08-17, 01:15 PM
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Are those a couple of cracks around the head tube?
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Old 09-08-17, 02:06 PM
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Are those a couple of cracks around the head tube?
Nope, just a plastic tie down to keep the fork from moving around I guess, you can see it clearly in another pic.
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Old 09-08-17, 02:11 PM
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Send the email/make the call as you do a google image search to see if these pop up somewhere else.

Ask to meet at local police station.
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Old 09-08-17, 02:33 PM
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She gets vengeance and for him its Cheaper than paying a lawyer for the divorce, If he made the mistake of marrying her.
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Old 09-08-17, 02:46 PM
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I'd probably buy them (VERY QUICKLY), then hold onto them for a few months before flipping or building. Also check the serial numbers to see that they aren't stolen (the EX could have been a thief).

Anyway, if the EX shows up, then you can sell the frames to him for the $125, and let him settle the score with his former GF.
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There was a story going around a long time ago about a miffed girl friend that sold her former boy friends sports car for $50. Keep those titles lock up guys.
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Old 09-08-17, 02:48 PM
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I wouldn't buy it. Whether he left it behind or not, it isn't her property to sell.

What if he shows up with a receipt insisting that it is his property and that she would not return it after he moved out? The frame would be rightfully his and as the purchaser, you would have no recourse.

Apart from ownership issues, I would not get involved in a lovers quarrel.


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Old 09-08-17, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
I wouldn't buy it. Whether he left it behind or not, it isn't her property to sell.

What if he shows up with a receipt insisting that it is his property and that she would not return it after he moved out? The frame would be rightfully his and as the purchaser, you would have no recourse.

Apart from ownership issues, I would not get involved in a lovers quarrel.


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It is a fine line... like abandoned property in left in a rental after a tenant has officially "moved out". But legally, each state deals with abandoned property differently.

$125 for the frames isn't a huge loss if something went south. But, as I mentioned, just hold onto the unbuilt frames for a couple of months. Perhaps even keep a copy of the craigslist ad. Then deal with it later if something should come up. If no claims or stolen property reports are made in a couple of months, then don't worry about them, use or sell them as you see fit.

As far as I know, usually these "domestic" things end up with a little screaming, then the person who had abandoned the property just accepts that it is sold and lets it go.

My brother is currently going through the early stages of a messy divorce. His wife has been cleaning house like crazy, and I've worried that either his bicycle, or Dad's old bicycle (which he had) will get lost in the process. But, I've decided that the best thing is to just let it go, whatever the outcome.
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Old 09-08-17, 04:29 PM
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I'm skeptical. The exes I know would tear up everything tear-uppable, set it on fire in the yard and stack on top everything that wasn't tear-uppable.

But mebbe gals are different outside Texas.
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For once, I think I find myself in complete agreement with Tim's moral views.

That said, I did just shoot off an email to satisfy my own curiosity. Scammers are quickly identifiable in most email transactions. The pics that were added after I posted do not help my convictions...
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Old 09-08-17, 04:34 PM
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I'm skeptical. The exes I know would tear up everything tear-uppable, set it on fire in the yard and stack on top everything that wasn't tear-uppable.

But mebbe gals are different outside Texas.
Why destroy stuff when you can make enough for a nice nite out to meet the next ex?
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I knew a guy once who lost a Stradivarius that way.
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
For once, I think I find myself in complete agreement with Tim's moral views.

That said, I did just shoot off an email to satisfy my own curiosity. Scammers are quickly identifiable in most email transactions. The pics that were added after I posted do not help my convictions...

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It is one of the reasons why we are constantly disappointed with the world.


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Old 09-08-17, 05:01 PM
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I wouldn't buy, tempting as both are. Just exploring the legal issues which may or may not apply here:

The woman has no right to title, as far as I can tell, and I don't believe that the bikes could be regarded as community property in the relationship. Effectively, she is becoming a thief unless she has written consent from the owner to sell. If you buy the bikes, you would be liable to return them to the rightful owner without recovering the amount you paid for them.

Sort of went through this sort of thing when Machka's bike was stolen, then advertised on eBay by a third party; the bike was recovered and the third party was left out of pocket (although not charged with an offence).
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Sounds like a version of the $50 Porsche. The $50 Porsche
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Originally Posted by Scarbo View Post
I knew a guy once who lost a Stradivarius that way.
OK, I have got to hear that story.
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I'm always suspicious of ads that say "I'm selling this for my friend." It seems like just an excuse for why the seller can't explain where the items came from, or what condition they are in.

We don't know if the person has an ex-boyfriend, only that they are selling these frames.
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Old 09-08-17, 06:38 PM
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Melancholics are idealists.

It is one of the reasons why we are constantly disappointed with the world.


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This happens much more frequently with tools - it's a shady area, some guys view it as an opportunity to get nice stuff cheap. Others view it as a d!ck move, probably because they are terrified of it happening to them.

I'm of the opinion that if it's for sale, and the seller is the legal owner it's fair game. But at the same time, if something doesn't seem right I'll walk away.
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Old 09-08-17, 06:48 PM
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Just run it into the ground and convert it.

That said, I wouldn't buy it. Legally kinda questionable there.
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No way that I would buy one of those frames, these aren't hers to sell unless she can produce a bill of sale for them. Getting involved in their problems is not going to turn out well. I'm with Timothy and Rowan, as well as the others saying not to buy them.

Now its the OP that has a decision to make, up to them.

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